My dealer a while back mentioned that a total of about 5500-6000 Mac X were built. Also that M26 (all models) to date is about 18K-20K boats.
Can anyone comment about these numbers?
Total M26 production to date?
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Frank C
This question of Hull ID Codes comes up pretty frequently, so I thought it might deserve posting as a separate topic.
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Mac
"CAREFUL: Boats built prior to 1980 use a completely different code, shown on Herman's webpage"
This comment is incorrect.
As a boat theft specialist I lecture on this topic regulary.
HIN's (hull identification numbers) came into exisitence in the USA in 1972 with a two year phase in period. As of 1974 all pleasure craft built in the US or imported to the US were required to have a HIN. Initially a standard HIN format could not be agreed upon (it is rumoured that the USCG and DOT couldn't agree on format, go figure, two government agencies not agreeing) so there were two different formats in use until 1984 when the HIN format was standardized to what we now have.
Prior to 1984 there was the "model format" and the "straight number format".
The basic design of the HIN has been consistent (3 character manufacturer ID, 5 character production number, 4 character date of manufacture). The difference has allways been in the last four characters in the HIN which are used to designate when the boat was built and its model year.
The "Model format" had the letter "M" in the ninth character followed by a two digit model year and the last character was a letter representing the month the hull was made.
The "straight year format" used the last four digits to represent the month and year the boat was made. i.e. 0380 for March of 1980.
In 1984 the format changed, so that the ninth & tenth characters, a letter "A-L"and a number, represents the month and year of manufacture, followed by a two digit number representing the model year.
Canada did not adopt the HIN until 1981 and Europe until 2000. The Europeans effectively have made the HIN into a 14 character format by insisting that all boats sold in Europe have a two letter prefix identifying the country of origin. i.e. "US-MACY1234A404"
We in the in law enforcement and insurance industry have been attempting to get the standard changed to a 17 character VIN system ( similar to your car VIN), due to the fact that the HIN is not designed for law enforcemcent purposes and causes sigifcant problems related to boat theft investigations. NASBLA and Congress approved the change tothe 17 characte VIN but the USCG has steadfastly refused to change the regulations.
Larry
This comment is incorrect.
As a boat theft specialist I lecture on this topic regulary.
HIN's (hull identification numbers) came into exisitence in the USA in 1972 with a two year phase in period. As of 1974 all pleasure craft built in the US or imported to the US were required to have a HIN. Initially a standard HIN format could not be agreed upon (it is rumoured that the USCG and DOT couldn't agree on format, go figure, two government agencies not agreeing) so there were two different formats in use until 1984 when the HIN format was standardized to what we now have.
Prior to 1984 there was the "model format" and the "straight number format".
The basic design of the HIN has been consistent (3 character manufacturer ID, 5 character production number, 4 character date of manufacture). The difference has allways been in the last four characters in the HIN which are used to designate when the boat was built and its model year.
The "Model format" had the letter "M" in the ninth character followed by a two digit model year and the last character was a letter representing the month the hull was made.
The "straight year format" used the last four digits to represent the month and year the boat was made. i.e. 0380 for March of 1980.
In 1984 the format changed, so that the ninth & tenth characters, a letter "A-L"and a number, represents the month and year of manufacture, followed by a two digit number representing the model year.
Canada did not adopt the HIN until 1981 and Europe until 2000. The Europeans effectively have made the HIN into a 14 character format by insisting that all boats sold in Europe have a two letter prefix identifying the country of origin. i.e. "US-MACY1234A404"
We in the in law enforcement and insurance industry have been attempting to get the standard changed to a 17 character VIN system ( similar to your car VIN), due to the fact that the HIN is not designed for law enforcemcent purposes and causes sigifcant problems related to boat theft investigations. NASBLA and Congress approved the change tothe 17 characte VIN but the USCG has steadfastly refused to change the regulations.
Larry
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Frank C
------------------------------------Red Coat wrote:"CAREFUL: Boats built prior to 1980 use a completely different code, shown on Herman's webpage"
This comment is incorrect. As a boat theft specialist I lecture on this topic regulary.
Larry, (as posted elsewhere)
OOPS ... Since I don't own a pre-80 Mac, I didn't read much farther than [month code, A = August] when I declared the pre-80 codes "completely different." Sorry!
I suppose my comment was incorrect because the HIN's basic design is not "completely different." While reading about the history of HINs was interesting, WADR I candidly didn't gain any understanding of the code used by Macgregor prior to 1980 after reading your post, or much clarity into the differences. Therefore, I just quoted the rest of Herman's webpage, as now shown in the "Hull ID" thread.
Re-phrasing then, it seems (to me) that the HIN code is "substantially different" for purposes of an average Macgregor owner. Specifically, the final four-character date segment differs in sequencing, the date segment lacks a "distinct model year," and the month codes are "completely different," by using letters A-to-L but starting with A = August.
If I'm still missing something, please let me know and we'll get it fixed.
Cheers!
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To answer your question your boat is
MAC = Macgregor
M= Model "M"
0843 = Hull # 0843
B5 = Built Feb of 2005
05= Built to 2005 model year specs.
The last matters because they often start building a model years boat prior to the end of the calendar year.
You'll find some that end in 'K405' for example which would be a hull built in Nov 2004 to 2005 model year specs.
To answer your question your boat is
MAC = Macgregor
M= Model "M"
0843 = Hull # 0843
B5 = Built Feb of 2005
05= Built to 2005 model year specs.
The last matters because they often start building a model years boat prior to the end of the calendar year.
You'll find some that end in 'K405' for example which would be a hull built in Nov 2004 to 2005 model year specs.
