To lift or to Ramp.......

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To lift or to Ramp.......

Post by Gerry the fish »

Ive used a boat lift twice now. I was nervous enough the second time until the guy said "what kinda boat.......Macgregor....oh I dont like them......they fall off"

But we survived. My biggest complaint is that the 2 marinas with lifts in Anacortes leave no room near the lift for even a few minutes of setup.

Putting in the second time the Mac was very front heavy - leaned forward quite a bit. I thought about it and the only difference from before was I had moved the anchor and chain up to the locker. So I dropped them thru the hatch into the v-birth and she came out of the water balanced and stable.

Straps were roughly at the same place each time (just behind the macgregor logo and just in front of the stanchion nearest the mast.)

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Re: To lift or to Ramp.......

Post by Russ »

I would prefer the lift over trying to get the Mac back on her trailer in a cross wind. I've only loaded our Mac back on the trailer twice and both times (without dagger board down) it was like floating a piece of Styrofoam. Last time I left the board down until right before reaching the trailer.

Fun pics though. I would be nice to lower the board and clean it off rather than pull it out the top.

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Post by Terry »

Gerry the fish wrote:Ive used a boat lift twice now. I was nervous enough the second time until the guy said "what kinda boat.......Macgregor....oh I dont like them......they fall off"

But we survived. My biggest complaint is that the 2 marinas with lifts in Anacortes leave no room near the lift for even a few minutes of setup.
Sounds like the guy was likely pulling your leg and probably chuckled at the look he left on your face. :D
I doubt any lift operator would attempt lifting a boat that was a proven accident waiting to happen. :o
We have a similar lift at Point Roberts, two actually, the big 60 ton travel lift and the smaller 4000# rail lift that MacGregors use. There used to be a dock at the launch ramp over at the park and I used to set up on the hard then motor over to my slip at the marina. The dock was only in from May long weekend to September long weekend so it was not always available when I wanted so I started using the lift. I usually wait for a higher tide when using the lift to minimize the amount of time my boat spends on those straps. I suppose they hold well enough, I have not heard of any accidents but then there is always a first time and I worry it will be me. The mast must be lying right down on the cabin top sliding hatch in order for the boat to fit under the frame and once in the water we face the same dilema, no room to step the mast, so we must motor over to our slip, tie up securely then raise the mast.
I would much prefer raising the mast and setting up the boat on the hard but it is not an option with the lift, it can only be done at the ramp and they have now permanently removed the floating dock at the ramp because it was damaged during a storm and Washington State parks does not have the budget to repair it. Lift it is. So far I have only lost one cleavis pin to Davy Jones while trying to pin the forestay and furler but I always have more than one spare ready. It is a bit more risky setting up on the water and when hauling out we have to make a run to empty the ballast because the lift is only rated to 4000# then back to our slip to de-mast and ready the boat for the lift.
Personally I find the ramp launch to be less stressfull but without the dock it is more stressfull. The Mac seems to balance pretty good in that sling and given the number of Macgregors using it they have plenty of practice. Still it is a bit nerve racking watching yours up there especially after they make you sign a waiver absolving them of any responsibility if an accident did happen.
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Post by Duane Dunn, Allegro »

By far we prefer lifts up here, keeping the trailer dry is a big plus.

Probably the best one up north is the one at Cap Sante, it's very new and also the most expensive. They have separate control of the front and rear straps so you'd never have the front heavy problem. I have not used the one at Skyline, it always looked a bit sketchy in the cruising guides. The straps look a bit to far forward in that picture.

We have used the one in La Conner 3 times, they say the don't do sailboats, but if you write and sign a damage waiver they will launch a Mac. They actually commented that the Mac was much easier to launch than most power boats, particularly with the cross wise bunks on the trailer.

Here's a shot of that sling launch

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They have separate control of the front of back sling as well as distance between the slings control just like Anacortes.

We have also launched many times at the Des Moines sling launch and they know Macs well there and have no problems with them. Unfortunately they were saying after this summer they were going to close their sling launch as it was becoming too expensive to maintain and operate.

There is also a nice sling at Edmonds Marina which we checked out this summer. They say they have launched Macs with no problems before and it looks like they have good parking available.

At all of these, we have always just taken an empty guest slip for setup and tear down. The few times anyone asked, I have just told them I'm here for the launch and will be gone in half an hour. On a couple of trips we actually planned as part of the trip to stay at the marina we launched in for the first night. This let's us leave later in the afternoon (we never manage to get going early), launch the boat and then motor over to our assigned slip where we set up at a leisurely pace. In the morning we are rested and ready to get a start on the trip.
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Terry wrote:
Sounds like the guy was likely pulling your leg and probably chuckled at the look he left on your face. :D
I doubt any lift operator would attempt lifting a boat that was a proven accident waiting to happen. :o
Its very possible - but he warned me to get all the ballast out so I spent an extra 10 minutes at speed. We raised her 6 inches out of the water and opened the valve and less than a cup came out. (Usually I see a couple of gallons when I do that on the ramp - but thats on a slope.

There are pros and cons to both - Im not a fan of rigging and derigging on the water - but the more I do it the more it feels the same.
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Re: To lift or to Ramp.......

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Duane Dunn, Allegro wrote:
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You American's really are spoiled, where we launch if it's a two lane ramp with a concrete base we're launching in luxury.

Here's a couple of the more interesting ramps we have used over the years, although we have yet to launch Imagine on either of them at this time.

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This ramp is better for smaller boats than the Macgregor, you can launch here, just a bit a pain with the encroaching trees, right hand twist and drop off (I'm standing on it) 4WD only access.

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This is the better ramp than the first, only 13 minutes away as well.

Really is a beautiful place to sail

Glenn
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