Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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After about 20 days of sailing (and trials to repair the engine :( ) to morrow I have to get out my :macx: from the Lac Leman to drive home.
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I still have a problem with my Suzuki DF50 outboard which I will cure in Germany because no Suzuki service is present in whole Swizzerland.
The throttle is locked when the throttle lever is in about the 75° position what gives me 2000RPM which results in a speed of 5kts (all boards down, in sailing configuration). With all boards up and the mast lowerd on its rest it might give me 6kts. Ar 6 kts sufficient to empty the ballast tank? Usually I do it at about 7-8kts but now I can´t :( .

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Re: Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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I'd expect 5-6 knots to do it. You may have to move weight aft so that the water can run downhill out the gate valve. As the ballast drains and you lose weight, you should speed up a few knots and that'll definitely empty it.

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What Andy said. Bring the boards up and just do the best you can with weight aft.

Alternative - - - I never empty the ballast at Sea - - - I put it back on the trailer, pull it up a few feet and the ballast pours out! Why bother emptying at sea at all if you have a tow vehicle that will bring it up the ramp just a few feet with ballast full?

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Re: Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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We always empty the ballast before loading on the trailer, so there is less strain on our lightweight tow vehicle.

They say to empty the ballast you should use; a minimum of 8 knots for 10 minutes.

The best way we have found is to; watch our GPS speed as we are emptying. As the ballast empty's, the speed increases. When the speed stops increasing, we have emptied as much as we can. Always being mindful not to have the dangerous half-ballast situation.

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If you can attain the speed of 88MPH you can travel back in time and empty your ballast before you had the problem with your throttle... just a suggustion.

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Greg,
sorry I didn´t get it :|
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2BonC wrote:Greg,
sorry I didn´t get it :|
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It's a reference to 1985 movie "Back to the future".

Perhaps you could get an electric air pump like for inflating a dingy or raft, open the drain and pump air into the vent to blast the water out. I think I may have seen a mod for that.
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Re: Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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2BonC wrote:Greg,
sorry I didn´t get it :|
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Blueskiesup;

I think that for A Mac, it's 88.8 MPH :P

Rick :) :macm:

PS Excellent idea, BTW!
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I have a 30HP which gets my X Ballast drained reasonably easily. With ballast in my speed is similar to what you are experiencing. Recently I got a Coleman portable air pump http://www.coleman.com/coleman/ColemanC ... 2000000834 which works an absolute treat! I find now I can empty the ballast in about 7 mins instead of the 12 mins. Getting weight back also helps and I raise the Helm chair and stand backwards just in front of the outboard (with a safety line across the stern) and in calm conditions I find it a far more comfortable standing position for long trips.
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Re: Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

Post by Retcoastie »

Its easy to tell if you can empty the ballast at whatever speed. Just look at the ballast gate valve. If it is covered with water at the speed you are traveling, it won't drain unless the bow is really high. If the speed is enough that the water coming under the transom is way from the gate vale, it will drain at any attitude.
Just look. :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Im more interested in why your throttle doesnt work.
have you looked at it? taken it apart or tried to fix it? Disconnected the throttle from the engine side and worked the handle to see if it moves the whole distance?

This kind of stuff is basic boat 101, I dont know what you did or who had looked at your problem, but we cant take the attitude like we do with our cars when they break, just call someone, you have to know how to fix things. Or at least try. We need to know more than its broken (not saying you didnt try and fix it) but we are going out to sea in these little boats, just because they have a radio and we have tow service isnt a sub for fixing it ourselves, or like I said at least look at it. How many here actually have tools on their boat?

Im not beating up on you, but reading your stuff it sounds like you didnt try and fix it. A cable can be bought anywhere in the world, a shifter also. Is the linkage to the motor being blocked by something?
How many guys here dont know how to change a tire on their cars? come on be honest, My nephew 33 years old couldnt do it to save his life. We cant treat boats the same way, we need to know, and if we dont we find out by taking things apart and putting them back together, just like the tire on a car, if you dont know how, do it in your driveway before something happens. How many guys here have been stranded in the middle of the lake or sea because they forgot to open the vent to the gas tanks?

people step on our boat and trust their lives to us, having a problem and just hoping it doesnt get any worse without trying to fix it, is not what they had in mind when they came aboard.

To the original question, why would you want to empty the ballast as you drive, what can compare to a 15hp engine on your boat? If its to go faster than fix the cable or shifter or unblock the linkage. If its to empty to trailer the mac will dump its ballast sitting on the trailer before you pull it out of the water. Every inch you drive up it makes it faster to drain. Again not picking on you and maybe the whole story is differant than I see, but at least you helped others when I give you a hard time..... :evil:
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Re: Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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Hear, Hear! Oye! Oye! All hands on deck. Call to arms!

I second the wet noodle lashing given out by the salty sailor.

Fix the cable.... We scurvy dogs out here in our armchairs tonight are frothing at the jowls to help you exorcise out the demon that plagues your noble throttle. Give us our due, and throw some fresh meat (or pics) our way and we will respond....... To the jacklines, mateys, that is what we live for, to help others enjoy Mac boating. 8)

As for emptying ballast before docking...... what is heaven's name for? :x That what the ramp is for. Who cares how the guy waiting to launch rolls his eyes while my ballast is draining down the ramp? I sure don't. And since the plug is out and the valve is open as I enter the ramp, when I get onto the trailer, the water ballast is already starting its journey back to the sea from whence it came. And winching it up does 40% more draining. And the stop at the top of the ramp does the rest.

And really, we all have read about the newer Mac'rs who have trouble getting back into the ramp docks (or any docks) and surely part of that is lack of experience (we all suffered that, for sure..) but if a new Mac'r or older Mac'r does not have all rudders down and all the CB or DB down that the depth will allow and a totally full ballast upon docking, then he or she has no right to complain about the difficulty in docking they may experience if there is any current or wind. :?
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Re: Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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If you elect to place your X on the trailer without emptying the ballast, you do not have to pull the boat out with a full ballast. If both the small and large vents are open, then the ballast is emptying while the boat is on the trailer, and still in the lake. The ballast will empty to the level that the lake is in relation to the boat. Just sit for a few moments to let it drain. Pull the trailer out a little more and let it drain. If you decide to pull it out all in one try, people watching might think your boat has one heck of a leak, but what do you care :) I just load Nice Aft onto the trailer and pull up about ten feet. Whoosh!

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Re: Minimum Speed Required to Empty Ballast Tank

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Even at 6 knots your jettisoning some, much, most of your water.. and as some have said .... dump what you can and before you slow down close the transom valve and when you get her on the trailer open that transom valve again. ( make sure your vent is open) IMHO its no big deal unless your towing with an undersized vehicle.Pull her out just enough to empty the tank ( it'll only take a few moments ) dont IMHO race to the parking lot with that over loaded boat on those 2 tires ...of all the bone heads I have watched during my 50 years, at boat ramps .... your extra few moments dumping that water, will be nothing!!! I believe it was Sloop John B who coined it ...........If they ask ? tell em its from the holding tank for the head hahahahaah :D
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