Slammed by a SQUALL

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Slammed by a SQUALL

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MODERATOR: not sure if this post is in the right forum, please move if you feel it would be more apropriate elsewhere.

This post is not in way of warning or advice. Just relating the experience.



I now keep my boat in Colpoys Bay, A bay of Georgian Bay. Geographicaly interesting as the end of the bay has a low elevation while hill and cliff rise along both shores of the bay as you proceed along its length. This creates a basin with walls aprox 200 ft. open on the ends. Wind from south to west seems to always be converted to a SW wind by the geography.


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On sunday (fathers day) I was sailing with my daughters Boyfriend. We were anchored for a lunch of great beef stew in a little bay just outside the mouth of Colpoys bay. Here there is a break in the geograph which gave us a view to the distant west and a storm front moving our way. We pulled anchor, raised the foils, opened the valves and proceeded to high tail it outa there! Drained tanks resealed valves and were well on our way back to the marina (just over 1/3 the distance i think).

Suddenly, and i mean fast we were hit by a squall. I believe the winds were 70+ kmh. We lost the ability to steer as the wind was coming straight on our bow it would push us off course downwind where it would catch our windage (mast, freeboard and enclosure) side on. With no foils and no ballast we were heeled to 30 deg (bare poled of course) and blown side ways down wind violently. Regaining controll in our current setup was not possible as we would pass through the wind and repeat the process on the other tack. Filling the ballast into the wind i dont think would have worked as we would need serious power to maintain any semblance of controll. I therefore backed to the wind making the boat a virtual windvane trailing behind the pull of the engine at 1/3 throttle. Filled the tanks and dropped all foils. We were taking a bit of a beating and the sky opened up to drop an incredible flood upon us. While backing to fill the tanks the reverse thrust and the building waves were swamping the cockpit a bit but the snap on enclosure panel helped keep some water out. Wet feet but no issues.

Once we had ballast and foils we had no trouble maintaining course and making headway at reduced speed. The storm lasted about 35 minutes but the violent winds abated after about 20 minutes.

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We were back at the marina in about 1 hour after the storm hit. Tied up, changed and watched the fantastic rainbows (double arch for a while), enjoyed the calm and watched as another wave of storm aproached from the west. The second wave brought less rain and less wind but severe lightning and thunder all around us. We decided to pack up the boat, do the dishes and head home. (boat stays there)

We started our trip home aprox 830pm. During our 2 1/2 drive home we were surrounded by wild electricall storms that encompassed a huge area but never seemed to be under it, like we were staying in the moving eye of the storm, kinda cool really. The storm raged over sw ontario all night.



The experience on the water was never scarry. It was however uncomfortable.. I was calm because i knew my boat and could anticipate its reactions, my companion was calm because I believe he was oblivious as to the situation. Because i was calm he saw no reason to be concerned (both good and bad i guess).

Forecasts in the area had not been calling for this weather. There were forecasts for possible storms quite a bit north of us and also for a region further south. I should not have ventured so far in these conditions and i accept any criticism there in. Other lessons learned would be to consider the balance between the spedy run for cover and the security of ballast and foils.

I would put this in my books as an experience to remember but I would not call it a bad experience.

There was no harm to boat or body although i recognise the potential was there.
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Post by Love MACs »

Quite a story and one that I imagine will grow :) as u tell ure grandkids. But it sounds like u used ure head and did everything as right as possible. Glad u both are OK. Now if ure potential son-in-law didn't see the danger in that situation I would wonder about his judgement period. :wink:



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as for my daughter's boyfriend???????
I think my daughter is bright enough...she wont be going to work for NASA soon but she is a level headed competant young lady (24). Her choice in guys could use some work! I dont get it!

My tactic which may not be working, is to be accepting and try to provide an example of appropriate behavior and good citizenship. I believe that critisizing her beau will only cause hurt and create a rift wherein i will no longer be in a position to provide any influence, but alas i digress
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Post by Russ »

Wow!

What a story. Good thinking to back up to fill ballast. I'll have to remember that. Pretty clever.

It's my understanding that a partially filled ballast is more dangerous than an empty one. How do you fill the ballast on a bouncing boat? I've done it only while perfectly still and even that got me nervous seeing the water come up the vent hole.

Storms like that are generally rare but part of every sailors story chest. When I had a Hunter 30, we were at a busy but tranquil cove at anchor when a nasty T-Storm whipped up. A line of rafted powerboats started to drag up wind of us. I had to let out anchor line on the bow that was now bouncing in 5 foot waves. Eventually (when I saw the whites of the eyes of the powerboat owners) I had to let it go and we blew sideways and heeled bare poles like you described. The engine wouldn't start and we were looking at the beach. Finally it started up, but not before a few choice explicatives. Many keel sailboats wound up on the beach. Waaay up on the beach.

Your cool head paid off. You should be proud you took control and thought your way through it. Sounds like it was quite a show coming home.

I'm thinking that storm on the boat would have been a great time to ask your daughters suitor what his intentions are for your precious girl. ("You know, if you fell over right now, nobody would ask questions." :) )
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Post by Love MACs »

Cuisto...I empathize and sympathize with your current situation. My daughter too has a very poor taste in boy friends. While very bright, in her third yr of her PhD, she is...shall we say, lacking in ability to spot a looser! Until after she has given away her heart. How can someone so bright be so gullible? We try to be supportive but then we are given little material to work with :| You know the scariest part...? They say that girls are always looking for a mate that most resembles their fathers traits! :cry: Now that gives me cause for reflection! :D

And now...Back to Sailing!


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now now russmt, thats what the spare anchor far far from potential shoreline witnesses is for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He'd never even question why I was asking him to get the anchor and 20 ft of 3/8 chain ready in 300 ft of water!!!
Lets not talk about this further incase I need to try it..dont want too much pointing the finger at me
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Love MACs wrote:You know the scariest part...? They say that girls are always looking for a mate that most resembles their fathers traits! :cry: Now that gives me cause for reflection! :D




Allan

My only relief there is that in legal fact I am her stepfather. neither her mother or i will ever speak poorly of her biological father, but the girls both say he is a sleeze ball.
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Re: Slammed by a SQUALL

Post by DaveB »

Thats called Sailing by the seat of your pants. One thing about a Mac. is never let out the water ballest until you have very good weather, if you get caught with your pants down with a empty ballest your good for (as I call) a Nantucket sleigh ride and capsize is very likely. Ya did good filling the ballest going astern, but took the risk of broaching on a half empty tank that would have put your rail in the water.
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cuisto wrote:MODERATOR: not sure if this post is in the right forum, please move if you feel it would be more apropriate elsewhere.

This post is not in way of warning or advice. Just relating the experience.



I now keep my boat in Colpoys Bay, A bay of Georgian Bay. Geographicaly interesting as the end of the bay has a low elevation while hill and cliff rise along both shores of the bay as you proceed along its length. This creates a basin with walls aprox 200 ft. open on the ends. Wind from south to west seems to always be converted to a SW wind by the geography.


Image

On sunday (fathers day) I was sailing with my daughters Boyfriend. We were anchored for a lunch of great beef stew in a little bay just outside the mouth of Colpoys bay. Here there is a break in the geograph which gave us a view to the distant west and a storm front moving our way. We pulled anchor, raised the foils, opened the valves and proceeded to high tail it outa there! Drained tanks resealed valves and were well on our way back to the marina (just over 1/3 the distance i think).

Suddenly, and i mean fast we were hit by a squall. I believe the winds were 70+ kmh. We lost the ability to steer as the wind was coming straight on our bow it would push us off course downwind where it would catch our windage (mast, freeboard and enclosure) side on. With no foils and no ballast we were heeled to 30 deg (bare poled of course) and blown side ways down wind violently. Regaining controll in our current setup was not possible as we would pass through the wind and repeat the process on the other tack. Filling the ballast into the wind i dont think would have worked as we would need serious power to maintain any semblance of controll. I therefore backed to the wind making the boat a virtual windvane trailing behind the pull of the engine at 1/3 throttle. Filled the tanks and dropped all foils. We were taking a bit of a beating and the sky opened up to drop an incredible flood upon us. While backing to fill the tanks the reverse thrust and the building waves were swamping the cockpit a bit but the snap on enclosure panel helped keep some water out. Wet feet but no issues.

Once we had ballast and foils we had no trouble maintaining course and making headway at reduced speed. The storm lasted about 35 minutes but the violent winds abated after about 20 minutes.

Image

We were back at the marina in about 1 hour after the storm hit. Tied up, changed and watched the fantastic rainbows (double arch for a while), enjoyed the calm and watched as another wave of storm aproached from the west. The second wave brought less rain and less wind but severe lightning and thunder all around us. We decided to pack up the boat, do the dishes and head home. (boat stays there)

We started our trip home aprox 830pm. During our 2 1/2 drive home we were surrounded by wild electricall storms that encompassed a huge area but never seemed to be under it, like we were staying in the moving eye of the storm, kinda cool really. The storm raged over sw ontario all night.



The experience on the water was never scarry. It was however uncomfortable.. I was calm because i knew my boat and could anticipate its reactions, my companion was calm because I believe he was oblivious as to the situation. Because i was calm he saw no reason to be concerned (both good and bad i guess).

Forecasts in the area had not been calling for this weather. There were forecasts for possible storms quite a bit north of us and also for a region further south. I should not have ventured so far in these conditions and i accept any criticism there in. Other lessons learned would be to consider the balance between the spedy run for cover and the security of ballast and foils.

I would put this in my books as an experience to remember but I would not call it a bad experience.

There was no harm to boat or body although i recognise the potential was there.
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Post by Boblee »

A pretty good lesson as to why you should keep your ballast in and this is where the pontoon prop comes into it's own as there is not a lot of difference with ballast in or out especially in rough conditions.
Any sign of bad weather or severe chop the ballast goes in.
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Post by Russ »

Boblee wrote:A pretty good lesson as to why you should keep your ballast in and this is where the pontoon prop comes into it's own as there is not a lot of difference with ballast in or out especially in rough conditions.
What is "the pontoon prop"?
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Russ
When we first fitted our etec the dealer told us the Hydrus prop was the best one for our boats as it developed more thrust, he is probably right but in light conditions the 13.75x13 aluminium is faster and gives me some peace that I may not damage the gearbox when I hit a rock etc.
The hydrus when fully loaded and in rough conditions comes into it's own, it is just as fast or faster and allows the motor to rev over 5500 rpm.
we carry the Hydrus as a spare but will fit it this year for coastal work when loaded for long trips 3-4 wk's.
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