Early M retro fit

[They Theirs]

Terry
Well written and we appreciate knowing you’re not a “Big A$$”.
We love to hear of your adventures, now, and future plans. We also enjoy the early M layout….gotta love that lounge seating and easy-up table.

Duane
My first posts were critiqued by the Kev and others for spelling…I was never Gold Seal, but proud of it.
Allow me to correct your mistaken implication…
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10. You are correct and we thank you correcting our incredible error in spelling “Berth”…. again we thank you for making this correction.

Kev and DLT
1. The thread began with a question about adding a late M galley to the early M.
2. Duane embellishing his long known views against the early M model interior.
3. Catagale like the M, but referenced his preference for a Classic-X full shower
4. Terry offered confirmed reference on the point (Terry is an early M owner)
5. We offered our view on the early M layout.
6. Kev posted a question and one of my photos
7. Duane detailed his views on his relationship with head-galley-table seating
8. Terry re-affirmed the anti-M hot buttons leading to a board closing.
9. We detailed our reasons…as Duane his….regarding our choices
10. Someone takes it upon himself to remove the picture of Classic-X table seating
11. Kev flames out on a picture he posted for everyone to see his table in use

12. DLT removes the Classic-X dinette table seating with faces covered, honoring a courtesy request by Kev’s to hide, he and his wife identities.
13. The Photo showed two adults sitting in the Classic-X dinette; why is it always about the monitor…no one was looking at Kev and wifey? We were looking at the Classic-X dinette and seating room…Kev went postal!


We sense your power and enthusiasm in removing reasonable posts at your discretion, but was that not the whole problem with the board when it shut down before? …. The “Sacred Monitor Status” bestowed on the chosen few in the “hit it off click”, (Mostly Classic-X boat owners) viewing posts as they were written while editing the content or rebutting very long posts with equally long posts…within 2 minutes after. We know they were being monitored for direction and content…Looks like censorship to everyone else…if it walks and quacks like a duck…. It’s a duck!

You have your means, the ability to remove or delete (Book Burning) at your whim or maybe your not feeling good. And so it is!

I appreciate your not loosing your composure in the previous post, Kev

PS All of us are glad your not on the Supreme Court, you couldn’t make “Soup” out of your legal knowledge.

Cheers Terry, Duane, Kev, DLT, and especially billfish for bringing up this thread on sliding galley M Mod
No hard feelings

Mac Factory back when the Classic-X was king, so many boats. …Somewhere

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

TT,

Implication of ????, you hurt me sooo bad! LOL

Gee, I notice how you convieniently skipped Terry's mention about easily seating 4 adults at the X dinette. Selective editing at it's best. Thanks for proving exactly why I skip right over your posts.

Kevin's issue has nothing to do with your posting his pict which he shared via his photobucket (asking first is always nice though), it has everything to to do with your copying it from his space to your space and posting it from there. The whole point is if you had linked to his space he can always decide to delete the picture and break your link. He owns the right to decide how his pictures are used. Yet again you continue to selectively comment and argue when a simple apology from you for the mistake would have cleared up the whole issue.

If you don't like the rules, just go elsewhere.

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Terry,

We're doing a north San Juans loop. We're going to launch out of Bellingham for the first time, Do Matia and Sucia for three days, stop in at Deer Harbor for a night, do two days at Stuart, two at Roche (which I agree is who Poet's is trying to keep up with), one night at Blind Is, and then finish up with two nights at Rosario Resort's marina. We get some park time, hit marina's that all have pools, and make the Admiral happy with the resort spa for the final two nights.

The first time we went to Roche was during the rendezvous I arranged a few years back. We had 18 Mac's along. They put us at the nice newer docks normally used by the big boys. Of course they fit two of our boats end to end in each slip where they normally park one. There was even room left to put one crosswise at the closed end of the slip. I think we used up every power adapter they had reducing the 50 amp outlets down to ones we could plug into.

P.S. A new M has no stove at all (neither did an X), it is a dealer add, they choose what to offer although neither M may have the counter space to cut in a double burner Origo like we have.

[Jack Sparrow]

We always knew that something had to be done with the dinette table in our 06M so we decided to let it ride for a season or 2. Finally I hope this will make the Admiral happy I am going to incorporate all the good points of the X and late and early M. Reduce the width of the table not by much may be 1 1/2 inches each side this will allow larger guest to maneuver past the dagger board trunk (we never use our dinette as a berth), Increase the length by about 3 inches and use the early M’s idea adding a slip in table extension either removable or folding this will allow crew to sit on the galley side lounge stopping the tilt when ever more than 2 are dining. Finally some sort of edge to stop things siding off when heeling.

Jack Sparrow

http://macgregorsailors.com/cgi-bin/mod ... record=974

[Boblee]

G'day Jack
You seem to be a more compulsive modder than me, but guess if it doesn't work make it.
Looked at your mod on the cooktop and thought of doing that myself when we saw them at the Melb boat show last year but the cook didn't want two burners and I didn't like gas in the cabin.
We went a different way to the flush Origo as we thought space and access in the galley were more important, we only use the single burner top mounted unit for boiling water and the stern rail mounted babeque for most cooking.
Will post some mods shortly for everyone to pick on, they may not suit everyone but stiff.
Like your stern mounted platform now all I have to work out is how to do it my way .
I notice your stern rail is differnt to mine, is yours a direct import?
Bob

[They Theirs]

Jack Sparrow
You have such great ideas and we enjoy pondering the amazing M mod’s. We liked the table Kev produced, with the look of a marine table…. rimmed all the way around, nice to keep things put.

Duane
We made a table to mirror Kev’s. It was plywood trimmed in Home Depot’s best red oak over the counter. I’ll not post a picture because…after stain and clear coat…it is a bit, well… simple. I’m no threat to his craftsmanship. I’ll continue to read your posts of travels and copy photos of your Classic-X, which I share with everyone interested. I like to think we have something of common interest to avoid yours/mine/theirs/ they/you me conflicts. Never wanted or intended to inflict any pain on you? Maybe we can LOL together.

Kev
I’m sorry you’re offended over my posting your photo.
Sorry to hear about your leg, hope your going to be OK.

Several of us share thousands of quick pic’s…we like um…you seemed interested in the Classic-X damp shower photo, and, upon your question, we gave you our best recollection. We know the background of some, others are just one of thousands. I have used a photo of your boys standing in front of your beached boat…I like your photos, we have all girls…seems only fair to share such great looking lads out boating….

[Mikebe]

This is such a depressing thread. I'm looking forward to having may Dad, Sister, and one of my Nephews aboard my boat this coming father's day weekend. It will be the first time I've had 4 adults on the boat. I will find out how well the 07 M layout works, but I'm sure it will be fine and we will all have fun. Can anyone tell me if methane gas is lighter than air? I'm planning meals, and thinking of serving up a pot of baked beans...ahh...opps...never mind, I think I just answered my own question...

[kziadie]

Mike,

I will have to make sure to stay to windward of you

Kelly

[Mikebe]

Oh, Kelly! I was hoping you'd raft up to leeward this weekend!

[JonBill]

Bullfish,

To answer your original question, yes I did the complete conversion of adding the sliding galley to a 2003 M boat. My dealer at that time got the galley box and slides for me from the factory after much discussion with them. I don't know if they will still sell it as a separate item still or not. I mean they make them new there everyday so I don't know what the big deal would be about them selling the box, slides and hardware. It doesn't hurt to call Bill and ask him nicely.

I was told it wouldn't fit by some and all kinds of other crap by naysayers but it fits perfectly and looks great and is very functional and I have it set up for sliding the whole way fore and aft on the port side. So no problem with access to anything. Made one slight cushion dimension change to fit the cushions in full length. So all in all I'm very glad I did it.

I'm in South Africa at the moment so can't share any pictures or anything, but when I get back in a couple of weeks we can take this discussion off line if you like, just email me at yahoo. I rarely check this site and post even more rarely. There's a bit too much chatter here for me. You can find my full email address on this site, so it's best to reach me at Yahoo if you like, but won't be checking that either for two more weeks.

Kind Regards,
Jon

[billfish]

Thanks to all of you who responded with great information (and great passion).
Being of limited mechanical and electrical ability I guess I'll learn to love my early "M" model just the way she is.

This is a great site for beginners like me and I look forward to contributing as I gain more sailing knowledge.

Billfish

[baldbaby2000]

Finally some sort of edge to stop things siding off when heeling.

My Mac 25 had molding pieces to fit around the rim. Yes it was nice to keep things on the table but it also made it hard to clean crumbs and such off the table as it would hold them nicely too. I was thinking about having them easily removable with vertical wooden pegs that would go into holes in the top of the table. Sometimes it's nice not to have them when using the table so they don't get in the way of elbows and arms.

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

Jack and others with late model M's

BWY has been making a mod to most M tables they sell. They have been cutting the table in half front to back and adding hinges so the port half can be flipped over onto the fixed starboard half that is still attached to the hull. They use rotating blocks of wood on the bottom to support it when open.

This opens up the seating area and provides a smaller cocktail table while making the seating easier to access.

If it were me I would change their mod slightly and not cut it directly in half. Doing so means the entire table must be cleared off to open or close it. I would cut it so the 6" nearest the hull was not covered by the part that folded over. That way I could have things stored on the table against the wall that didn't have to be moved everytime I opened or closed the table. I would also use steel rotating support blocks as their wood design doesn't look all that strudy.

From their website:

FOLDING DINETTE TABLE

A BWY custom modification of the standard factory table. While the interior is comfortable and well laid out, you will have lot's more room to move about the cabin with the table folded in half when not in use. We find that most of the time a small table is adequate for a bowl of chips or a couple drinks, and we really like having the extra room to move about.

[Duane Dunn, Allegro]

JonBill,

Do I understand you correctly that you installed the galley so it can slide forward out of the way up by the head?

That is a very interesting adaptation that I could see a lot of benefit in. The seat area up there is not nearly as useful as the area aft and it seems like a good place to store the galley. It's out of the way yet still usable, it doesn't block access to anything up there.

That would leave the entire aft seating area open and not clog up access to the aft berth.

It also would seem to make more sleeping areas available, just think, 2 in the vee berth (well two small people), two in the aft berth, two at the dinette to starboard, and one midships to port. The Mac now sleeps 7. Theory maybe, but in a pinch. For a brief while (one season) my wife and I actually slept at the X dinette. A twin size airbed fit perfectly. You just have to master synchronized rolling.

I'd love to see some pictures.

[JonBill]

Duane,

Yes I installed the whole length of the slides on top of the sette berths under the cushions and with the cushions in place you can't see or feel the slides under there as they are low profile. Also they fit to both sides of the access openings under settes so no mod required for access. We put a sturdy aluminum angle on hull side extending the hull side slide all the way aft so the galley can be stored in the aft berth on the port side or moved all the way up near the head area. No angle was required on the inside just like the later model M has no slide there so you have full access to aft berth when the galley is stowed forward.

They said at the factory it wouldn't fit and it fits perfectly.

Will send you some pictures in a couple weeks if you send me your email.

Took a road trip from Joburg to Hartbeesport (here in South Africa) on Sunday to have lunch at a little marina on an interior lake and spotted a Mac 26 moored there pre-X boat model. Mac's are all over the world. While I was at the marina forgot I was in SA. Sailors are the same cool people the world over.

Going to Durban next week then leave for home (good-ole USA) next
Sunday. Hope to be on the water in two weeks in west Matagorda bay enjoying "Liberty" with my bride. God bless the USA!! There's no place like it even with all our problems its the best place on the earth!! Freedom isn't free! Pray for our troops.

Sorry for digressing.

Regards,
JonBill