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Mark Prouty
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They Theirs
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Another dose of Enzyte and Your 115 will be.....
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Bobby T.-26X #4767
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- Location: Oceanside Harbor, CA
They theirs--
Maybe I am a "motorhead", but its out of necessity. I've dealt with rough weather, wife and baby aboard, covering 22 miles of open ocean, and I know for a fact the bigger motor makes the journey quicker and easier on them.
Family comfort is my ultimate goal if I want them to continue being enthusiastic about boating. I get my "bending sails" fix here in LA harbor all the time, sorry if I don't choose to torture my family(thats how the wife and kid would see a 4-5 hour sail) with an extended journey to the island.
The 70 horse on that boat's pic you post weighs the same as the 90, so don't see your point about that.
I respect your passion and strong points for the Mac's excellent sailing performance, but please don't denegrate my choice of emphasizing it's powering aspect/potential, especially by labeling me with names. You're beginning to remind me of Sailing Anarchy.
Respectfully,
Rolf
Maybe I am a "motorhead", but its out of necessity. I've dealt with rough weather, wife and baby aboard, covering 22 miles of open ocean, and I know for a fact the bigger motor makes the journey quicker and easier on them.
Family comfort is my ultimate goal if I want them to continue being enthusiastic about boating. I get my "bending sails" fix here in LA harbor all the time, sorry if I don't choose to torture my family(thats how the wife and kid would see a 4-5 hour sail) with an extended journey to the island.
The 70 horse on that boat's pic you post weighs the same as the 90, so don't see your point about that.
I respect your passion and strong points for the Mac's excellent sailing performance, but please don't denegrate my choice of emphasizing it's powering aspect/potential, especially by labeling me with names. You're beginning to remind me of Sailing Anarchy.
Respectfully,
Rolf
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They Theirs
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Rolf
I was not name calling any more than your telling/calling the Purist and stating how wrong his choice.
Can you see your full court press in this statement?
Im sorry if you had taken it personal, its only an opinion, and I had no knowledge of your fears for your family or reasoning behind making the statement. I posted it more for the Tit for Tat than to insult your personal feelings.
There was no point to the weight issue, I was only referring the 70 2-stroke was being replace with a 70 4-stroke Suzy (probably heavier) but the stated reason was for the "Fuel Economy" and "Silent Running" benefit for BWYs Quality Radio. I do enjoy some great sailing and the sterio with Hector Berlios.
And BWYJust thought I would answer a couple of your questions.
I was not name calling any more than your telling/calling the Purist and stating how wrong his choice.
Can you see your full court press in this statement?
And also, can you see the volley in:Rolf wrote:
This is the wrong boat for a sailing purist--that's not whom the boat was built for. No sign whatsoever of extra stress or wear from the higher torque, weight either after 2 years. Of course if my engine breaks off tomorrow and insurance refuses to pay, I would whistle a different tune.
They Theirs wrote:
but for someone so obsessed with power and motoring speed they are willing to exceed the manufacturers written warranty, it is certainly an option for them to turn Gear Head and pure motor boater.
Im sorry if you had taken it personal, its only an opinion, and I had no knowledge of your fears for your family or reasoning behind making the statement. I posted it more for the Tit for Tat than to insult your personal feelings.
There was no point to the weight issue, I was only referring the 70 2-stroke was being replace with a 70 4-stroke Suzy (probably heavier) but the stated reason was for the "Fuel Economy" and "Silent Running" benefit for BWYs Quality Radio. I do enjoy some great sailing and the sterio with Hector Berlios.
And BWYJust thought I would answer a couple of your questions.
I think it safe to say that these boats were not designed for the sailing purest. They are fun boats. As far as I can tell, they sail as well as any other. But then, I'm not a sailing purest.
This is not to say that no sailing purest could ever enjoy these boats. That's not it at all. I'm quite sure there are things about these boats that appeal to many people outside its "target" audience...
Clearly, there are things that you can do to maximize its sailing performance. Similarly, there are things you can do to maximize its motoring performance. Often, but not always, those things are mutually exclusive.
For Rolf, myself, and many others, enhancing motoring performance takes precedent over sailing performance... I am perfectly willing taking whatever sailing hit I'll take when I hang a 320lb 90hp motor on the back. No problem, bring it on... That hit may be significant, but I'm not convinced. For example, right now with my 240lb 40hp hanging back there, the boat is bow heavy with full ballast. The water line actually slopes down toward the bow. So, to my untrained eye, it appears as though there is a bow-heavy imbalance. It follows that a heavier engine might just give better balance... Isn't that supposed to aid sailing performance? Quite frankly, I don't care what the answer to that question is, as like I said, I'm quite willing to accept whatever hit I might take in that regard...
But please feel free to hang your little 9.9 off that back and whip my butt in every race you can...oh wait a minute...I didn't buy my boat to race it...DARN!
I have absolutely no problem accepting people who want to maximize the sailing performance of these boats and do things that I'd never consider doing with my boat. hull, if that's what they want to do, I say go for it... Tell me how much you enjoy it... Converting these boats to our own usage is one of their best aspects, in my mind...
So, why is it that some people think they can tell me I shouldn't hang a 90 on the back of mine? Ok, fine, tell me my sailing performance will suffer. Great, thanks for the insight. But, to tell me that I'm wrong for doing so just seems rather short-sighted, closed-minded, and shallow...
This is not to say that no sailing purest could ever enjoy these boats. That's not it at all. I'm quite sure there are things about these boats that appeal to many people outside its "target" audience...
Clearly, there are things that you can do to maximize its sailing performance. Similarly, there are things you can do to maximize its motoring performance. Often, but not always, those things are mutually exclusive.
For Rolf, myself, and many others, enhancing motoring performance takes precedent over sailing performance... I am perfectly willing taking whatever sailing hit I'll take when I hang a 320lb 90hp motor on the back. No problem, bring it on... That hit may be significant, but I'm not convinced. For example, right now with my 240lb 40hp hanging back there, the boat is bow heavy with full ballast. The water line actually slopes down toward the bow. So, to my untrained eye, it appears as though there is a bow-heavy imbalance. It follows that a heavier engine might just give better balance... Isn't that supposed to aid sailing performance? Quite frankly, I don't care what the answer to that question is, as like I said, I'm quite willing to accept whatever hit I might take in that regard...
But please feel free to hang your little 9.9 off that back and whip my butt in every race you can...oh wait a minute...I didn't buy my boat to race it...DARN!
I have absolutely no problem accepting people who want to maximize the sailing performance of these boats and do things that I'd never consider doing with my boat. hull, if that's what they want to do, I say go for it... Tell me how much you enjoy it... Converting these boats to our own usage is one of their best aspects, in my mind...
So, why is it that some people think they can tell me I shouldn't hang a 90 on the back of mine? Ok, fine, tell me my sailing performance will suffer. Great, thanks for the insight. But, to tell me that I'm wrong for doing so just seems rather short-sighted, closed-minded, and shallow...
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Bobby T.-26X #4767
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- Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
- Location: Oceanside Harbor, CA
it's the most inexpensive "cabin cruiser" on the market.
try finding a brand new 26' boat under $30K (OK...maybe closer to $35K now with all the options) that:
1. sleeps 4 with a full galley and head
2. motors at 22mph (that's what Roger tells me)
3. sails at 7mph
4. has a back up motor (your sails) if the primary motor fails
5. is trailerable and light enough to tow behind a mid sized truck/suv
(i know i'm missing many other features & benefits)
it's an excellent value that does so many things.
spend twice as much on something else and you still may be admiring a Mac.
Bob T.
"DaBob"
'02X w/ '04 90 TLDI
try finding a brand new 26' boat under $30K (OK...maybe closer to $35K now with all the options) that:
1. sleeps 4 with a full galley and head
2. motors at 22mph (that's what Roger tells me)
3. sails at 7mph
4. has a back up motor (your sails) if the primary motor fails
5. is trailerable and light enough to tow behind a mid sized truck/suv
(i know i'm missing many other features & benefits)
it's an excellent value that does so many things.
spend twice as much on something else and you still may be admiring a Mac.
Bob T.
"DaBob"
'02X w/ '04 90 TLDI
They Theirs, sorry I got a little defensive, but its only because I'm so impressed with the versatility of these boats! I understand someone wanting to maximize sailing performance, same as I do motoring performance. Labeling you a purist(which implies you are an elitist) was my mistake.
I actually do plan on more regular sails to and back from the island (I've only done it once), but unfortunately these will probably preclude family (boys trip-- get some fishing in as well).
One note of irony--with the heavier outboard, the boat balances better (ballast free) with the mast up. I'll be "forced" to sail once in a while if I like it or not. Sailing fever actually brought me together with the Mac,
and I do plan on pursuing it more exclusively.
Rolf
I actually do plan on more regular sails to and back from the island (I've only done it once), but unfortunately these will probably preclude family (boys trip-- get some fishing in as well).
One note of irony--with the heavier outboard, the boat balances better (ballast free) with the mast up. I'll be "forced" to sail once in a while if I like it or not. Sailing fever actually brought me together with the Mac,
and I do plan on pursuing it more exclusively.
Rolf
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LOUIS B HOLUB
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Bobby-T...I couldnt agree more 
I purchased the Mac-X because I liked the boat, and I've seen some fairly good "used" values in used boats mfg. years of 1980-85 in brands of Catalina, Pierson, etc. But I wanted a trailerable--and the Mac-X works out fine, and it wont sink.
My next issue is finding a dual axle galvanized, or aluminum, trailer. I want 4 wheels under my Mac.
I purchased the Mac-X because I liked the boat, and I've seen some fairly good "used" values in used boats mfg. years of 1980-85 in brands of Catalina, Pierson, etc. But I wanted a trailerable--and the Mac-X works out fine, and it wont sink. My next issue is finding a dual axle galvanized, or aluminum, trailer. I want 4 wheels under my Mac.
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Bobby T.-26X #4767
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They Theirs
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DLT
I refrain mentioning your power choice being wrong, in excess for many reasons, perhaps, but not wrong. I might imply you could better your sailing performance by limiting the weight on your boats and on extremities as any sailor since the beginning of time understands. I envy your big engines when you plane by with spray flying and a small rooster tailing behind, and appreciate the amazing look most Blow-Boaters lock onto when a Mac powers out of view.
Bob, I like Scotts Outboard and his invisible spar! Oh, and I believe I read some where those dual axel aluminum trailers float, and make launch and retrieving the boat more difficult?
All this is of coarse opinion with modest value to others.
I refrain mentioning your power choice being wrong, in excess for many reasons, perhaps, but not wrong. I might imply you could better your sailing performance by limiting the weight on your boats and on extremities as any sailor since the beginning of time understands. I envy your big engines when you plane by with spray flying and a small rooster tailing behind, and appreciate the amazing look most Blow-Boaters lock onto when a Mac powers out of view.
Bob, I like Scotts Outboard and his invisible spar! Oh, and I believe I read some where those dual axel aluminum trailers float, and make launch and retrieving the boat more difficult?
All this is of coarse opinion with modest value to others.
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James V
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Biggest motor discussion again?? Sail vrs Power again? OK my $ 0.02 worth. On a week or more cruise the times that you can motor over 15 mph will be less than times that you can motor under 14 mph. When I have the money and want to get somewhere. I can motor. When I have more time than money, I can sail and I do enjoy sailing (and motoring)
Where does my boat spend most of the time? On the trailer. What is the boat doing most of the time when I am on it? At anchor or at the dock. Racing is just not my thing.
How big is to big of motor, Did it break at WOT?
I have heard of one idiot who was driving a MAC who was going over 15 mph in heavy seas, went airborn on a big wave, landed on the side and broke the mast in the water. Dumb, I hope that it was not one of us. More boats are lost at anchor than at sea. The point is, anybody can break something. The size of motor and speed and little or no breakage is what you need to workout. Your dime(s).
Where does my boat spend most of the time? On the trailer. What is the boat doing most of the time when I am on it? At anchor or at the dock. Racing is just not my thing.
How big is to big of motor, Did it break at WOT?
I have heard of one idiot who was driving a MAC who was going over 15 mph in heavy seas, went airborn on a big wave, landed on the side and broke the mast in the water. Dumb, I hope that it was not one of us. More boats are lost at anchor than at sea. The point is, anybody can break something. The size of motor and speed and little or no breakage is what you need to workout. Your dime(s).