Zeno's Arrow II
Zeno's Arrow II
As the Zeno's Arrow thread is starting to run on a bit, I thought I would take it upon myself to start a new thread. Cheers, MM

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Managed to get into Southern Brazil, but did not tow across the Andies to Chile and the Inside Passage as origionally planned. Ran out of time/money (by then I was already 5 years behind my origional proposede schedule, seems I tend to spend more time en route than most folks; guess that's why I named the boat Zeno's Arrow). Also, I had already done the Chilian route to Punta Arenas in other boats so it didn't seem overly important. MM
Managed to get into Southern Brazil, but did not tow across the Andies to Chile and the Inside Passage as origionally planned. Ran out of time/money (by then I was already 5 years behind my origional proposede schedule, seems I tend to spend more time en route than most folks; guess that's why I named the boat Zeno's Arrow). Also, I had already done the Chilian route to Punta Arenas in other boats so it didn't seem overly important. MM
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Why ice?
Mike,
Forgive me if you have answered this before, a search of the thread didn't reveal it. What were your reasons or justifications for allocating the space and power to have an icemaker on board? Thanks in advance.
Forgive me if you have answered this before, a search of the thread didn't reveal it. What were your reasons or justifications for allocating the space and power to have an icemaker on board? Thanks in advance.
Re: Why ice?
I think its simple. What would a trip anywhere south of the equator be without margharitas?Night Sailor wrote:Mike,
Forgive me if you have answered this before, a search of the thread didn't reveal it. What were your reasons or justifications for allocating the space and power to have an icemaker on board? Thanks in advance.
Ice Maker
OK,
Here's why the ice maker & you guys can tell me if my logic is from outer space or not. I have the ice maker and Engle 12 V. Freezer/Fridge (which can be used as one or the other at any given time but not both) + 2 standard type ice chests (one under a seat in the cabin & one in the cockpit). I use the ice from the ice maker (which I turn on when I charge the 2 x 4D AGM house batts.: remember I do not need a starting batt. as my engines are Elect/pull start). Thus, the ice maker in conjunction with the water-maker provides me unlimited ice while at sea when charging about one hr. a day, thereby reducing the contineous power drain that would be needed to run a normal fridge all the time. Additionally, while on the hook or heading out for a crossing, I often purchase bags of ice and put them into the ice maker (and coolers) along with a few beers or soft drinks, as the ice maker is well insulated. This ice usually melts after a few days (as does that in the coolers), but the water remains colder than ambient, so I simply turn on the Genset & ice maker and use less BTU's than normal to turn it back into ice.
When heading out on a crossing I use the Engle as a freezer and fill it with TV dinners which I use up in the microwave as I prefer not to spend time cooking and using an open flame while alone at sea. Once the freezer stuff is used up I turn up the temp. on the Engle and transfer stuff from the coolers into it. Now I have a Fridge and thereby reduce the time the ice maker is needed, which in turn reduces the time needed for charging the batts. ( to 1 hr. every other day) as the wind turbine and solar panels can then keep up with usual consumption.
Except for food (although I do fish and sometimes drag a net) this gives me unlimited water and ice (if nothing breaks down). Actually, if I'm careful and the wind blows and sun shines, I can also cook with the microwave and hot plate without consuming propane, so I can stay out on some little island for just about ever without having to sail somewhere inhabited to re-stock or get fuel (gotta row the tender though). With the Sat. phone, and internet access I can even communicate with the outside world, if I want.
Hope this answers the question. Cheers, MM
Here's why the ice maker & you guys can tell me if my logic is from outer space or not. I have the ice maker and Engle 12 V. Freezer/Fridge (which can be used as one or the other at any given time but not both) + 2 standard type ice chests (one under a seat in the cabin & one in the cockpit). I use the ice from the ice maker (which I turn on when I charge the 2 x 4D AGM house batts.: remember I do not need a starting batt. as my engines are Elect/pull start). Thus, the ice maker in conjunction with the water-maker provides me unlimited ice while at sea when charging about one hr. a day, thereby reducing the contineous power drain that would be needed to run a normal fridge all the time. Additionally, while on the hook or heading out for a crossing, I often purchase bags of ice and put them into the ice maker (and coolers) along with a few beers or soft drinks, as the ice maker is well insulated. This ice usually melts after a few days (as does that in the coolers), but the water remains colder than ambient, so I simply turn on the Genset & ice maker and use less BTU's than normal to turn it back into ice.
When heading out on a crossing I use the Engle as a freezer and fill it with TV dinners which I use up in the microwave as I prefer not to spend time cooking and using an open flame while alone at sea. Once the freezer stuff is used up I turn up the temp. on the Engle and transfer stuff from the coolers into it. Now I have a Fridge and thereby reduce the time the ice maker is needed, which in turn reduces the time needed for charging the batts. ( to 1 hr. every other day) as the wind turbine and solar panels can then keep up with usual consumption.
Except for food (although I do fish and sometimes drag a net) this gives me unlimited water and ice (if nothing breaks down). Actually, if I'm careful and the wind blows and sun shines, I can also cook with the microwave and hot plate without consuming propane, so I can stay out on some little island for just about ever without having to sail somewhere inhabited to re-stock or get fuel (gotta row the tender though). With the Sat. phone, and internet access I can even communicate with the outside world, if I want.
Hope this answers the question. Cheers, MM
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Wow!
Massawa in the early 60's, that is way cool! Eritrea must have been something else in those days. Did you get a chance to visit the underground churchs or were the Ethiopeans not letting anybody up that way back then? Got a chance once to hang out in the old Menelik Palace in Massawa old town port for a day back in the early '80's before heading south to do a Sobek whitewater trip on the OMO river all the way to lake Rudolph (which has since renamed). Very cool Bill, did you happen to take any pictures of Massawa back then? MM
Massawa in the early 60's, that is way cool! Eritrea must have been something else in those days. Did you get a chance to visit the underground churchs or were the Ethiopeans not letting anybody up that way back then? Got a chance once to hang out in the old Menelik Palace in Massawa old town port for a day back in the early '80's before heading south to do a Sobek whitewater trip on the OMO river all the way to lake Rudolph (which has since renamed). Very cool Bill, did you happen to take any pictures of Massawa back then? MM
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thanks
Thank you Madmike for explaining your use of the icemaker. Combined with a use as a fridge, the watermaker, and coolers it does make sense now. Frozen dinners do taste a lot beter than a steady diet of freeze dried.
