Identify Deck Hardware

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Identify Deck Hardware

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Morning All,

I'm not sure what these are for. After using a couple of these to raisr the mast for the first time 6 or 7 times last week, I am worried about ripping them out by not using them as intended.

I had used the two on the sides as baby stay attachments (this boat does not have baby stays nor does it appear to have attachment points for them on the mast)...?

The one that lines up closest with the mast raising pole I used for raising the mast with the boom sheet/pulleys. I was most afraid of ripping this one out as it held the most weight (the jib halyard was used to connect the other side to the mast).

As the mast does not appear to have attachments for raising the mast, I used what appears to be a composite plastic piece 4ft up from the mast base (on the foreside) to attach my makeshift baby stays (I gotta find something different because I am afraid this is a weak point. It seems to me to be too low and forces too much).

Can you confirm what these are for?

Overview looking forward:
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Detail looking forward and to the starboard:
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Detail looking forward (the aft most one lines up closest to the length of the mast raising pole):
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And my apologies if my terms are incorrect. I've never used them outsude of reading and YouTube perusing.

Please note, this is not my first sailboat. I have several years of experience single handing my little Precision 18. On that I don't have much of this stuff (its not needed) and I cannot find good pictures or explainations of what these attachments might be to satisfy my inexperience and concerns...
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JamesToBoot wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:13 am And my apologies if my terms are incorrect. I've never used them outsude of reading and YouTube perusing.

Please note, this is not my first sailboat. I have several years of experience single handing my little Precision 18. On that I don't have much of this stuff (its not needed) and I cannot find good pictures or explainations of what these attachments might be to satisfy my inexperience and concerns...
Hey... don't sweat it. You shouldn't feel bad about asking questions. I think the padeyes on deck beside the mast are just the attachments for winching up the mast. To use them, you need a couple tangs mounted on the mast or some other attachment point. You are right to be concerned with pulling them through the deck. The prior owner of my boat did exactly that, although it was a different deck attachment than the padeye. If those stays are not snug when you lift the mast, it can go sideways and rip it right out of the deck. I am in the process of installing a solar vent there because I'm too lazy to fix the non-skid, and hey.... everyone needs ventilation, right? In terms of the winch to lift the mast, I just lift it. It really isn't that heavy, but I do plan to put a couple of temporary lines that I'll attach to two cleats I'm mounting mid-ship. I was going to use a D-ring to attach two lines that I only use when raising/lowering the mast. Because even though it isn't heavy, it is awkward, and one whoops can lead to big damage. The key is to keep those stabilization lines snug enough that the mast doesn't start to lean.

None of the deck hardware is all that secure on a Mac, unless someone has dug into it and secured it. There are no backing plates, just big washers. I pretty much don't trust any of it for real loads. I ended up buying a 24"x24" sheet of 0.25" G10 that is going to be used on my rudder, the bow backing plate, and for various backing plates on anything I don't want ripped out of the deck. An ounce of prevention sort of thing. It requires butchering up the liner, so it is a PIA job to back all the fittings. I'm anal enough that I'm adding G10 backing plates to the side stays and the forestay attachment. Once your standing rigging is right, that is the weakest point on a MacGregor, just in case you're planning a North Atlantic crossing.

Oh... and a Roger MacGregor special. The back side of the deck isn't covered in fiberglass. That is part of the reason our deck is so floppy. The upside is that you have to try hard to get a wet core. It has natural ventilation for any deck leaks on the backside. LOL.....

I love the anchor roller setup you have on the bow. That looks like an anchor pin, but it may be part of the mast raising system. I don't have the mast raising system, so someone else will have to comment.
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Thanks for the info @TrailerTrash,

I will make sure to go thru and check the back of the deck hardware. Bummer because that does seem a time intensive and tedious job. But I'd rather be sure.

Thanks for confirming the padeyes beside the mast are for the baby stays. They seemed so small for the job. But then again the boom sheet/tackle attachment to the cockpit look pitiful too.

Thanks for the insight into the 'coring'. That is interesting and dies explain why there are such big cavities in between the deck and the liner instead of a sandwich (referring to the bids & threads I've seen on fixing soft spots.

I guess that is a huge positive to the plywood being a backer and not a core.... Don't have to worry as much about it getting soggy, it just dries out down the into the cavities. Lmbo, you must be a glass half full kinda guy.

You might only like the anchor setup until you walk up to it and wiggle it. The roller doesn't appear to be very well secured because it lifts right off the deck.

Super appreciate the info.

If someone with the mast raising bit could comment on the parts we're not positive on, I'd be very thankful.
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Another note, I do not posses the strength to put up the mast without the assistance of the mast raising system. I tried twice and failed twice.

Trying to raise the mast while getting every snag out would be impossible for me. Every time I've ever tried raising a mast, something always gets stuck or binds (even on the precision 18). So I dare not attempt it on strength alone.

According to the manual, the optional mast raising system uses the forward deck cleat as the attachment. No idea what the loop a couple inches aft of the cleat are for (even though it lines up better to the mast raising pole than the cleat does).

I hadn't though of that beefy attachment as part of a chain management system along w the aftermarket bow roller... That does make since as it is super beefy compared to any other attachment point on the boat. Could it maybe be for a aftermarket furling system?
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I do see in the manual (huge thanks to y'all for previous posts showing where to get it) that the they are using rope as baby stays and that the deck attachment is very close to where those padeyes are...

I'm caught off guard at the seeming insubstantial attachments (same for the boom sheeting attachment in the cockpit as mentioned earlier). My expectation was different. It seems small compared to the p18, which is the only substantial experience I have with sailing hardware.

I just figured I was an idiot because I couldn't find an attachment point.
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Welcome to the Mac. It is the reason they have the reputation that they do. They were made inexpensively to be a recreational boat. The design is both great, and it has plenty of warts too. But any product does.

I love the boat, but you have to recognize what it is, and what it isn't. The stock parts are light-duty at best, but sufficient for reasonable use. They don't have the safety margin of a better-built boat, but they are light and trailerable.

I have a 26D, and the worst part of mine isn't the substandard deck mounting. It is the rudder attachment to the transom. It attaches to the transom with two brackets, which bear all the rudder forces, and they go through two thickened areas of the transom that are perhaps 3"x4" areas of backing for the stainless pintel brackets. The transom pancakes and wobbles under load. Same with the MOB ladder. You climb up that thing, and the transom feels like you are on a fiberglass trampoline.

I've cut a 24"x8" backing plate for the two brackets, and I'm glassing in Divinycell stringers on a grid to kill pancaking. Anything under load that moves like that will fatigue over time. That is the path to failure. If you can stabilize it so that it doesn't flex, it can survive surprising amounts of load.
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Thanks for the info and the warning on the repeated bending of fiberglass @TrailerTrash. The boarding ladder is def one place that I need to work on. Its currently loose, so I've been using a LittleGiant ladder.

Anyone have any idea what the last unidentified loop is? Its the one a little aft of the forward cleat?
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I think you have everything pretty much correct. Those padeyes are just about where the baby stay attachment is on an X. The padeye just behind the cleat is also about where the X mast raising system attaches but I think I'd trust the cleat unless you've verified what's behind that padeye.

The bracket behind the mast roller looks like it's meant to pin the anchor chain in place to prevent accidental deployment.
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@Be Free,

You rock, thank you sir.

Check backing plates: tis on my list. Thank You!
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Hi JameToBoot!

On the Mac26X the Mast Raising System attaches the lifting line to a secondary hole in the bow plate for the jib…
Doesn’t your boat have one?
Or was it incorporated into your anchor roller?

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Hey @OverEasy,

Yes Sir, the 26s does have two holes in the forestay chainplate... one for the stay and one for the jib. I may end up testing this for the mast raising system.

We have seen in the 26s manual that the optional mast raising system (which I seem to have and am attempting to use) identifies the forward cleat as mounting point.

So the question is, if that's the mounting point for the mast raising system and the beefy attachment point is apart of the aftermarket bow roller system, what is the padeye for just aft of the cleat? Its a mystery.

Thankfully y'all have all helped identify usable points for the mast raising system and that I should maybe improve on the backing plates (or at least verify that they have the big washers use by MacGregor from the factory). My confidence in raising the mast is greatly increase by the responses to this thread.

Thanks for the suggestion to try the gib attachment on the forstay chainplate.
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Don't feel bad. I use the MRS and need two extra people to get the mast in it's mount. 8)
JamesToBoot wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:01 am Another note, I do not posses the strength to put up the mast without the assistance of the mast raising system. I tried twice and failed twice.

Trying to raise the mast while getting every snag out would be impossible for me. Every time I've ever tried raising a mast, something always gets stuck or binds (even on the precision 18). So I dare not attempt it on strength alone.

According to the manual, the optional mast raising system uses the forward deck cleat as the attachment. No idea what the loop a couple inches aft of the cleat are for (even though it lines up better to the mast raising pole than the cleat does).

I hadn't though of that beefy attachment as part of a chain management system along w the aftermarket bow roller... That does make since as it is super beefy compared to any other attachment point on the boat. Could it maybe be for a aftermarket furling system?
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Thanks @dlandersson,

I just need knowledge and experience. I am slowly becoming a living database. Im the kind who will want to know how everything works and be able to do everything before I hit the lake. I don't like making mistakes on the water... Too costly.

Thankfully the mast crutch on the 26s is pretty far back. It probably should have been on the transome. But with the roller on the crutch, I am able to roll it all the way back till I'm able to attach it to the mast step. Its a little worrying, the weight balance off the end of the boat, but it appears to be much more manageable than the mast crutch on the wheel pedistool.
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Re: Identify Deck Hardware

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OverEasy wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 12:59 pm Hi JameToBoot!

On the Mac26X the Mast Raising System attaches the lifting line to a secondary hole in the bow plate for the jib…
Doesn’t your boat have one?
Or was it incorporated into your anchor roller?

Best Regards,
Over Easy 8) 8)
Over Easy,
If you have the original "X" MRS it connects to the padeye just forward of the anchor locker. If you are using something else you are probably right.

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