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dlandersson wrote:It's also a camping trailer - some odd looks tho. :)

It's also capable of being listed in BnB for rental income :wink:

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yeah! what he said!
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I have seen many of the boats that the "Traditionalists" thinl are beautiful and my personal opinion is they have no taste at all, normally like a box placed on top of a rowing boat, hardly streamlined or pleasing to the eye. These guys are welcome to spend their weekends rubbing back and revarnishing their wood and polishing their brass, meanwhile a quick wipe over with spray and wipe gets out boats clean and on the water sailing rather that tied up to the dock, with a hand full of sand paper wishing we were out there actually doing what boats are intended to do.

My experience has been that people that say the streamlined shape of the Mac is ugly are normally just jealous they dont have one.

I can honestly say I have never seen a more impressive sight that a Mac sitting on its trailer, its just a majestic beast, looking brutal in its intent
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sailboatmike wrote:I have seen many of the boats that the "Traditionalists" thinl are beautiful and my personal opinion is they have no taste at all, normally like a box placed on top of a rowing boat, hardly streamlined or pleasing to the eye. These guys are welcome to spend their weekends rubbing back and revarnishing their wood and polishing their brass, meanwhile a quick wipe over with spray and wipe gets out boats clean and on the water sailing rather that tied up to the dock, with a hand full of sand paper wishing we were out there actually doing what boats are intended to do.

My experience has been that people that say the streamlined shape of the Mac is ugly are normally just jealous they dont have one.

I can honestly say I have never seen a more impressive sight that a Mac sitting on its trailer, its just a majestic beast, looking brutal in its intent
yeah!
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sailboatmike wrote:
I can honestly say I have never seen a more impressive sight that a Mac sitting on its trailer, its just a majestic beast, looking brutal in its intent
Yeah x2

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That is a great looking boat. Love the double axle trailer and the canvas. Great setup.
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yeah!
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My Mistress wrote:
sailboatmike wrote: "~ the killer was the $90,000Au price tag, thats $60,000 US$"
That's Europe and their taxes for you. Everything there costs more, and since a boat is considered a luxury item, they are sky high.
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Note the white hull - clealry a speed demon :P
robh2 wrote:That is a great looking boat. Love the double axle trailer and the canvas. Great setup.
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K9Kampers wrote:Since we all favor an ugly vehicle that does two things, but neither well...

BISKI

I'm waiting for the faster white one! 8)
BOAT wrote:Yes, now your talking my language - I have been trying to find a good amphibious car for many years - the problem with all the ones I find is that they all sink unless the water is super calm - none of them seem to be able to go into the ocean. There was one car I saw that a couple from another country built that they tried to drive around the world crossing oceans - I think for the most part they succeeded.
Nope, now you're talking my language! Yep, over the years Gibbs has come out with several superb amphibians for when money's no object, like their Aquada, 20 of which are said to be currently for sale. But if you're a working schlump like me, dropping a quarter million semolians for one is firmly in that column of the desiderata list along with booking that flight to Mars with Elon Musk. I'll just have to content myself with my old school '60s Amphicar. Rather like the Mac 26X or M, the Amphi's a hybrid with its attendant necessary compromises: admittedly not a particularly great boat nor a particularly great car, it still handles both tasks well enough--even with a certain unique aplomb. It's kind of like a pig doing the tango. Sure, you might say the pig's footwork's a little sloppy or the outfit's all wrong. but dammit, It's a PIG doing the TANGO! And how often do you see that? Well, here you can see me sashaying down the Mullica River with some friends:

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We seem to be having a pretty good time in our "not particularly great boat/car", huh? Actually, the Amphicar has something in common with the Mac hybrid power-sailers, in that many or even most of its critics seem happy to bash it even though they've very often never even set foot in one, let alone owned one. Sadly, that's become harder to swing for regular folks. Not all that long ago, before the Internet really caught on, and even for a little while after it started to gain real traction, you could buy good solid swimming Amphicars all day long for less than $10,000, or a light fixer-upper like mine for just a small fraction of that. Hull, back in the mid-'90s somebody even gave me one that another Amphi-owning buddy of mine and I stripped for her parts (the underside of her hull, or body, if you will, having been almost completely rusted away from the salty waters of Long Island Sound...Though nowadays it would probably be a candidate for restoration). Sadly, those bargain Amphicar days are long gone, I'm afraid, as a quick peek at the Club's Classifieds reveals. While I guess I'm happy my own Amphi is now worth easily more than ten times what I paid for it back in '94, it's sort of a shame that they're becoming almost too valuable to have any fun with. Needless to say, if any other Mac owners find themselves in the DC area and want to feel just how very very wrong it feels to drive a car into the Potomac River, you have only to drop me a PM. Just now mine's with that old parts-stripping buddy of mine getting some fresh and long overdue metal in her hindquarters, but I should have her back in Spring.

By the way, the round-the-word amphibious motoring couple Boat's referring to above was probably Rick Dobbertin's Surface Orbiter, which was a big retrofitted stainless steel milk tanker truck. They didn't circumnavigate though, although they'd hoped to. They just did a tour around North and South America before lack of funds cut the trip short. That honor--namely the only person ever to circumnavigate the globe in an amphibious vehicle--still belongs to that intrepid Australian, the late great Ben Carlin in his modified amphibious Ford GPW Jeep "Half-Safe" back in the '50s. My kind of eccentric.

BOAT wrote:(snip!) Even uglier than the boat pictures above is the HUNTER edge - (WOW, now THAT is an ugly POS) - Most of the good looking trailer boats are the old ones.
Hmmm...I don't think that sailboat shown above is particularly hideous. Sure, I might have issues with the obviously poor footing afforded by that rounded cabin top and lifelines apparently designed to trip you up and maybe hang you in headfirst in the drink, but ugly? It's not even in the same nausea-inducing league as that little pea soup green West Wight Potter in my boatyard. My Lord! That is one aesthetically-challenged craft. Even the local rodents steer clear of that water-going pustule. Even though I am led to understand that they are actually truly superb little day sailors, and the owner's a great guy, and I'd really like to like his boat, I just can't get past those ungainly lines of the thing and its vomitous hues. It just seems like something that some justly laid off American Motors Corporation design staff, those cross-eyed folks who gave us some of the most ungainly and odd-looking vehicles in the '60s and '70s ever to besmirch our highways and byways--gawky-looking things that routinely fill in an unseemly portion of every list of "10 Ugliest Cars Ever Made" you'll ever encounter--might have collectively sploodged onto a cocktail napkin while getting hammered to drown their sorrows at the local dive after they'd finally shuttered that last plant for good: "Here's our future guys!...An affordable small sailboat for the average working man!...Hey, somebody wake up Harry." Blurghhhh! I mean, ügly with an umlaut.

As for the Mac 26X's aesthetic appeal, whatever others may think about her, I think she's just gorgeous. I'll confess that many's the time I'll pause for a long while on my way out of the boatyard just to admire her lines.
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Bilgemaster wrote:As for the Mac 26X's aesthetic appeal, whatever others may think about her, I think she's just gorgeous. I'll confess that many's the time I'll pause for a long while on my way out of the boatyard just to admire her lines.
I hear what your saying

Im overheard on my recent wedding video saying doesnt she look beautiful as the Mac with my partner aboard headed for the jetty for our wedding, someone asked "Who Jill (my partners name)", "No" says silly me within ear shot of the video camera, "the boat of course, I cant see Jill yet"

Lucky my partner shares the same love of said boat, and I wasnt in trouble, well not much

By the way, the boat made the perfect limousine, and was the perfect start to a brilliant day, we got married on the jetty, in front of the boat at the yacht club and the pics are to die for, if you could do it again you couldnt of got a more perfect setting, back drop or limousine to bring the bride in
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Congrats Mike :)

Mac as a limo :!:

An M would have been more fitting for a wedding :wink: (at least one on TSP describes it as looking like a wedding cake :D )
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Thanks Paul

I have been following your YouTube channel, very informative and entertaining
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Thanks Mike :)

I confess I'm one of those odd guys that gets off on odd old stuff like clinker hulls and port holes :wink: The Mac was bought because its more practical and more useful (and less work) of a boat for us.

Yes, I love 'old' boats, but I'm not talking about the majority of 60s to 80s plastic trailerable boats which are generally very unappealing and the Mac is certainly better looking than most of them. :wink: I find it amusing on our two trailer sailer forums here in Oz how when a Mac is mentioned, the conversation generally turns to how ugly it is, and yet if you were to put a Mac next to the boat of the person commenting and take a picture - anyone could be forgiven for thinking they were looking at a picture of a diamond next to a turd! :D

Over the years, there has always been one or two primary Mac bashers on the main trailer sailer forum here and I always get a giggle imagining their boat next to mine (and wondering what kind of drugs they might be on). One guy years ago on TSP constantly banged on about how ugly the Mac was, and he owned a Jedda :D :D ( 'Oddly' enough, I did hear from someone who knew him that he would actually love to own a Mac.. :wink: ). One of the current main bashers owns a Farr 6! How anyone owning one of them could continually bag a Mac for its looks is beyond me :? My wife thought the Farr 6 was an older smaller, smellier version of our boat :D
Heres a Mac
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heres a farr 6
https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw ... x/$_20.JPG

I wonder if our little brothers boat there will one day grow to be 26 feet :D
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I find the macs of all eras decent enough looking boats but i like the M the best. Ive had lots of traditional looking boats too.
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One could best describe a Farr 6000 as old, ugly, slow and over priced and thats its positive attributes :D

As I mentioned to him a Farr 6000 was the only boat to pull out of last years WAFIR as it wouldnt of made it over the hump before the tide got too low, now that is seriously slow, even a old bathtub bilge keeler with a CBH of .500 made it with time to spare, one would of thought that 2 hours assisted by a 1 1/2 knt tide would be enough to cover the 5NM to get over, just the tide alone would of almost pushed him over
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