Some of you may be able to get some good ideas on how to equip your boat for crusing. This guy has rigged a 25 ft Hunter. Great pictures.
http://www.sailboatowners.com/upload/di ... 131&fno=17
Cruising on a 25ft boat (well equiped)
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ken lockhart
Cruising on a 25ft boat (well equiped)
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waternwaves
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ken lockhart
Well equiped boat
I think I could handle a 26X or M to Hawaii if it was equiped like this boat. Now, if my wife would only let me go.
Re: Well equiped boat
If I had a babe like that I'd leave the wife at home.ken lockhart wrote:I think I could handle a 26X or M to Hawaii if it was equiped like this boat. Now, if my wife would only let me go.
Hawaii
As to going to Hawaii in a Mac, I have no real doubt that it could be done, but if I am sailing to Hawaii I'm going to want to be somewhat comfortable doing it, and I just don't think a Mac could be comfortable in heavy seas.
I've sailed all over the Pacific on ships, and despite all our electronic marvels of weather prediction, there is still a non-trivial chance of hitting big seas or storms unexpectedly. I've personally experienced 25 foot seas in an area where the best weather intel on the planet said there should be no more than 12 footers - and that was between San Diego and Hawaii. Out at sea waves like that don't generally break, so I don't think a Mac would be sunk necessarily as long as the crew kept their wits about them, but after it was done I doubt there would be one single thing on the boat that was not loose, bent, or flying about loose on the cabin sole.
By the time you made enough mods to the Mac so that it had sufficient secure stowage for everything, and was sufficiently secure enough to take heavy green water on deck without filling the cabin, you'd probably find it more economical to buy a used and proven small cruiser that was designed for coastal or blue water.
For this sort of thing, I really wish MacGregor or someone would take the concepts behind the 26X/M and build something in the 30 foot range.
I used to sail now and then on a 72-footer that had a retractable keel - it used a system of winches to lift a significantly heavy bulb (like 3000 pounds) at the end of a dagger-board-like foil up against the bottom of the hull. In the case of that boat, the design was directed at downwind performance, the fact that you had a 72-foot SORC-capable boat with about 3 feet of draft was a pleasant side-effect. However, if they could do such a thing on a 72-footer, it seems to me that even our 26-footers could have a lead bulb at the bottom of the daggerboard.
- AndyS
I've sailed all over the Pacific on ships, and despite all our electronic marvels of weather prediction, there is still a non-trivial chance of hitting big seas or storms unexpectedly. I've personally experienced 25 foot seas in an area where the best weather intel on the planet said there should be no more than 12 footers - and that was between San Diego and Hawaii. Out at sea waves like that don't generally break, so I don't think a Mac would be sunk necessarily as long as the crew kept their wits about them, but after it was done I doubt there would be one single thing on the boat that was not loose, bent, or flying about loose on the cabin sole.
By the time you made enough mods to the Mac so that it had sufficient secure stowage for everything, and was sufficiently secure enough to take heavy green water on deck without filling the cabin, you'd probably find it more economical to buy a used and proven small cruiser that was designed for coastal or blue water.
For this sort of thing, I really wish MacGregor or someone would take the concepts behind the 26X/M and build something in the 30 foot range.
I used to sail now and then on a 72-footer that had a retractable keel - it used a system of winches to lift a significantly heavy bulb (like 3000 pounds) at the end of a dagger-board-like foil up against the bottom of the hull. In the case of that boat, the design was directed at downwind performance, the fact that you had a 72-foot SORC-capable boat with about 3 feet of draft was a pleasant side-effect. However, if they could do such a thing on a 72-footer, it seems to me that even our 26-footers could have a lead bulb at the bottom of the daggerboard.
- AndyS
Re: Hawaii
That sounds like the Seaward 32RK/26RK (RK = Retracting Keel). My wife and I are thinking of selling our 26X and buying a 32RK in a couple years. Trailerable (well, sorta - 10,000 pounds and 9ft 6in wide) and draws 18in with the keel up. Only problem is the $100k price tag...Andy26M wrote:I used to sail now and then on a 72-footer that had a retractable keel - it used a system of winches to lift a significantly heavy bulb (like 3000 pounds) at the end of a dagger-board-like foil up against the bottom of the hull. In the case of that boat, the design was directed at downwind performance, the fact that you had a 72-foot SORC-capable boat with about 3 feet of draft was a pleasant side-effect. However, if they could do such a thing on a 72-footer, it seems to me that even our 26-footers could have a lead bulb at the bottom of the daggerboard.
- AndyS
Roger MacGregor is really missing a market opportunity here - when we were at the Newport Spring Boat Show, we checked out a new Viva 32 that meets much of the same criteria as the Seaward 32RK (except for a swing keel instead of a retracting keel). The dealer said that the people who showed the most interest were invariably MacGregor owners. I really believe that there is a legitimate market for a 30ft+ trailerable sailboat as an upgrade path for the legion of 26 owners out there.
By the way, we loved the Viva 32, but it would be a full-time job to keep all that wood nice looking, lol.
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Bill at BOATS 4 SAIL
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I just got an email today and a phone call yesterday from Viva Yachts, inquiring if I would like to be a dealer for them. I'll look into it.
I get contacted about once a year by a boat manufacturer. I ask for their information, wait for a little while, and call the company, asking for the location of a dealer because I'm thinking of buying one of their boats.
What often happens is they say I don't need a dealer because the factory will sell it to me directly and save me thousands of dollars.
I get contacted about once a year by a boat manufacturer. I ask for their information, wait for a little while, and call the company, asking for the location of a dealer because I'm thinking of buying one of their boats.
What often happens is they say I don't need a dealer because the factory will sell it to me directly and save me thousands of dollars.
Viva's
I've looked at those Viva's at a few boat shows, too. They are spiffy, and they have a "spiffy" price tag to match.
Likewise the Seaward boats. I don't think I've ever seen one in person, but have done some research on them.
In addition to the price of either I'd have to add the cost of a vehicle that can tow 5+ tons... So that jacks the price up by $30k or so.
- AndyS
Likewise the Seaward boats. I don't think I've ever seen one in person, but have done some research on them.
In addition to the price of either I'd have to add the cost of a vehicle that can tow 5+ tons... So that jacks the price up by $30k or so.
- AndyS
Newport Boat Show
dthomas -
Doh! I should have thought about posting something about the Newport Spring Show. I live about half a mile from there, it would have been fun to organize a get-together for lunch with any Mac sailors that were going...
I was actually trying to get work done on my own boat, despite the weather, so I skipped the spring show. It's just as well - every time I go to a boat show I wind up adding a few more "boat bucks" worth of stuff to my wish list
- AndyS
Doh! I should have thought about posting something about the Newport Spring Show. I live about half a mile from there, it would have been fun to organize a get-together for lunch with any Mac sailors that were going...
I was actually trying to get work done on my own boat, despite the weather, so I skipped the spring show. It's just as well - every time I go to a boat show I wind up adding a few more "boat bucks" worth of stuff to my wish list
- AndyS
[quote] I really believe that there is a legitimate market for a 30ft+ trailerable sailboat as an upgrade path for the legion of 26 owners out there[quote]
If I'm not mistaken, the Viva 32 is made/represented by the same folks that make the Mast 28 (Odin 820). At the risk of self-interest, if you want a 28-footer on the way to a 30-footer, the Mast 28 at 28 feet is a solid, heavy well built trailer-sailer that I have found a very steady platform to motor or sail from. I find it to be an ideal cross between my last two boats (a Mac 26x and a Hunter 35)
If I'm not mistaken, the Viva 32 is made/represented by the same folks that make the Mast 28 (Odin 820). At the risk of self-interest, if you want a 28-footer on the way to a 30-footer, the Mast 28 at 28 feet is a solid, heavy well built trailer-sailer that I have found a very steady platform to motor or sail from. I find it to be an ideal cross between my last two boats (a Mac 26x and a Hunter 35)
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Mark Prouty
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Re: Newport Boat Show
That would have been fun, but there will be other chances, I'm sure. We just moved to Westerly, RI from Austin, TX late last fall and we hope to get the boat out on Little Narragansett tomorrow. There does seem to be quite a few Macs up here, which I guess is result of having Havencraft nearby.Andy26M wrote:Doh! I should have thought about posting something about the Newport Spring Show. I live about half a mile from there, it would have been fun to organize a get-together for lunch with any Mac sailors that were going...
Funny thing - wife and I were going to lunch and we noticed a 26X rigged up in the parking lot for the downtown boat ramp. I admit my initial thought was to go make sure mine was still parked where it belonged!
A second glance revealed differences, so no "boat jacking" was taking place. We hung around for a few minutes waiting for the owner(s), but they must have been eating in one of the restaurants there in downtown Westerly.By the way, does it ever get warm here?