Cruising Code Zero?

[bobbob]

Is anyone using one of these sails? I'm curious how much of an improvement they are on our boats relative to a 4-6oz 150% Genoa in lighter winds (5-8kts).

[NiceAft]

If there is a photograph in the posting, I am not bringing it up.

Ray

[bobbob]

No, but here's a link to one that Judy sells for the Mac:

http://www.hydesailsdirect.com/Macgrego ... z-fm64.htm

[kadet]

Apparently a 100% improvement over a 150 genoa so instead of doing 1/2 a knot you will do 1 knot

Seriously though I suppose it depends on what your goals are, if you want to squeeze every bit of sailing ability out of your boat and not use the motor then it is a big improvement. If you are just a cruiser I think a jib and a asym is all you need as the code zero is for better upwind performance over an the asym and true gentleman cruisers do not sail to windward anyway .

[dlandersson]

Thhhhpppp....

If you are just a cruiser I think a jib and a asym is all you need as the code zero is for better upwind performance over an the asym and true gentleman cruisers do not sail to windward anyway .

[bobbob]

I guess my idea would be a code zero and a 100 jib, instead of a Genoa. If I could get 4-5 knots of speed in 5-8 knots of wind (at any angle)

[kadet]

We know Macs are not great sailers but lightly loaded they do pretty good, I would suspect at the lower wind strength up to 1/2 wind speed for boat speed would be more realistic, at 6+ knots better than half wind speed might be achievable.

Remember the downside of a code zero is it is not reeferable it is all in or all out. So if you have furling and only one furler you will need a sail change or a new stay and furler for a solent rig . I use to have a 150 on a furler and found it a PITA as we have light winds in the morning with a strong evening sea breeze (normally on the nose) so an asym on a flying furler on a bowsprit and a jib on the normal forestay furler made more sense, but a code zero set up the same way would work just as well and give some light upwind performance.

I suppose you need to decide what type of sailing you want it for. If I did not already have an asym I might have gone for a code zero as the flying furler for a code zero is way less expensive than one designed for a spinnaker. In fact I put my old 150 on a cheapish flying furler to use like a code zero for light upwind work, but I have never used it because the ETEC Well it is just there so

[dlandersson]

That's about what I get

We know Macs are not great sailers but lightly loaded they do pretty good, I would suspect at the lower wind strength up to 1/2 wind speed for boat speed would be more realistic, at 6+ knots better than half wind speed might be achievable.

[bobbob]

We know Macs are not great sailers but lightly loaded they do pretty good, I would suspect at the lower wind strength up to 1/2 wind speed for boat speed would be more realistic, at 6+ knots better than half wind speed might be achievable.

Remember the downside of a code zero is it is not reeferable it is all in or all out. So if you have furling and only one furler you will need a sail change or a new stay and furler for a solent rig . I use to have a 150 on a furler and found it a PITA as we have light winds in the morning with a strong evening sea breeze (normally on the nose) so an asym on a flying furler on a bowsprit and a jib on the normal forestay furler made more sense, but a code zero set up the same way would work just as well and give some light upwind performance.

I suppose you need to decide what type of sailing you want it for. If I did not already have an asym I might have gone for a code zero as the flying furler for a code zero is way less expensive than one designed for a spinnaker. In fact I put my old 150 on a cheapish flying furler to use like a code zero for light upwind work, but I have never used it because the ETEC Well it is just there so

Yes, I like the idea of a solent rig, where the current CDI furler would hold a jib and a code zero furler (attached to the forward rail?) would be ahead of it for the CCZ.

I'd like to be able to sail at least 4-5 knots in light winds (beam reach to running only, I would certainly fire up the motor upwind) . Right now I have a badly blown out 150 genoa and I'm trying to decide if I should replace it with another 150 genoa or think about a two-headsail combo.

[dlandersson]

Here's something I've looked at, Parasailor :

http://www.istec.ag/us/parasail/article ... r-650.html

[bobbob]

Pricey though! And I like being able to furl the CCZ.

[Tomfoolery]

I'd like to be able to sail at least 4-5 knots in light winds (beam reach to running only, I would certainly fire up the motor upwind) . Right now I have a badly blown out 150 genoa and I'm trying to decide if I should replace it with another 150 genoa or think about a two-headsail combo.

Since I got this boat, I've moved away from using the genoa. I almost always use the working jib, even in light air. I might use the genoa if it was easier to strip off the jib and replace it with the genoa (FFII unit isn't that easy). But the jib points higher, and doesn't block my view. So that's what I almost always use.

A Code Zero sure would be sweet, on its own furler, though. And could be hoisted and dowsed from the cockpit, easier than the spin.

[kadet]

Yes, I like the idea of a solent rig, where the current CDI furler would hold a jib and a code zero furler (attached to the forward rail?) would be ahead of it for the CCZ.

That's sort of what I did, to make life easier I put the asym on a small bowsprit and a top down flying furler with all lines led to the cockpit. I single hand a lot so easy handling is a must.

[bobbob]

Note the description from Hyde Sails page:

"With almost twice the power of a 150% genoa, you can get your boat sailing smartly along in just a knot or two of breeze. In as little as 5 knots of wind, you can get moving at hull speed on a broad reach"

I do like the sound of that. Seems ridiculously easy to hoist and lower since the cable is built into the sail and the sail is stored furled like a snake.

[kadet]

Note the description from Hyde Sails page:

"With almost twice the power of a 150% genoa, you can get your boat sailing smartly along in just a knot or two of breeze. In as little as 5 knots of wind, you can get moving at hull speed on a broad reach"

I do like the sound of that. Seems ridiculously easy to hoist and lower since the cable is built into the sail and the sail is stored furled like a snake.

And they do 20mph with a 50hp outboard too

What's possible with a stripped down boat and expert skipper and what is real world performance can be 2 different things