Do U Know where ur GPS is taking U

[grady]

There were a lot of mistakes and poor decisions leading up to that event. We will never know everything that happened but the Skipper kept his job, the Navigator was not a lucky.

[BOAT]

The captain is responsible for everything on his boat - if the skipper was too stupid to even know where he was then he was negligent.

The skipper is an idiot.

[81venture]

GPS (regardless of Brand) often brings customers to the boat shop to the dirt road BEHIND my house instead of my driveway in my actual neighborhood

just saying

[BOAT]

GPS (regardless of Brand) often brings customers to the boat shop to the dirt road BEHIND my house instead of my driveway in my actual neighborhood

just saying

I believe you - I have had my old Magellan try to do that to me at least twenty times in my experience crossing the country - that is why I use the satellite feature on my cell phone when in doubt- I can see what the road really looks like - GPS by satellite image is a double edge sword - it can really help you stay out of trouble but it also can get you into trouble.

It's like anything else - if I am driving the car and I get lost it's my fault - I should not look at my wife and blame her because she is reading the map. If I am driving then I am driving - It's my responsibility - the passenger is not turning the steering wheel - I am. When you crash the car the police will give you the ticket - not your wife. It's your fault.

As far as the stupid captain who sails off into the open ocean at 19 knots in the night without having reviewed his charts and does not even turn up the warning horn on his sounder when he is unsure of his location I can only assume he is an idiot. I have been in Mexico at 1AM in pitch black trying to make way in a rocky inlet many times and during those times my dad ALWAYS posted me in the bow pulpit with a very powerful flashlight looking for obstructions and watching the bottom. THAT'S WHY THE DAMN PULPIT IS THERE!

There is no excuse for the kind of stupidity demonstrated by the skipper who ran into the reef - he's an idiot.

[Highlander]

The captain is responsible for everything on his boat - if the skipper was too stupid to even know where he was then he was negligent.

The skipper is an idiot.

Nah can,t be so. I heard him say what the heck where that came from was not there yesterday !! musta been a volcanic eruption or something

technology is amazing , just sayin that's all

Anyway the story I heard was they where attacked by a whale think "Moby Dick" bit off the stern from the boat so they had to beach her to salvage her

J

[grady]

The captain is responsible for everything on his boat - if the skipper was too stupid to even know where he was then he was negligent.

The skipper is an idiot.

Yes he is responsible, and no. It is a lot different on that boat where you have a team and are racing. Everyone is assigned a specific task and is responsible for that task. On your boat if you listen to someone and run aground yes you are an idiot. On that boat there is no way one person can accomplish all tasks.

[BOAT]

The captain is responsible for everything on his boat - if the skipper was too stupid to even know where he was then he was negligent.

The skipper is an idiot.

Yes he is responsible, and no. It is a lot different on that boat where you have a team and are racing. Everyone is assigned a specific task and is responsible for that task. On your boat if you listen to someone and run aground yes you are an idiot. On that boat there is no way one person can accomplish all tasks.

Losing the ship is the most egregious error of negligence and puts the entire crew at risk. My dad always said it's better to risk the live of one crew to save the lives of all the others if the mission is in danger and no one crew members life worth more than all the other crew members - that means when things are dicey it's your job as captain to risk the life of one crew member to save the mission and the lives of all the others - that's why there is a captain - so someone can make that call - if there were no captain you would just have a bunch of guys drawing straws. If the trophy was mission critical to the crew then someone should have been hanging from the rail that night.

I could see many opportunities here where the skipper could have risked one of the crew to stand watch and still save the mission - as it is he almost lost the whole crew but even worse he scrubbed the whole mission so that means any crew he did lose would have died in vain. Naval leadership 101.

Just a total idiot.

[Ixneigh]

Huh. If I assign someone as navigator I'm going to trust them to do it. Second guessing everyone's job is bad for moral.
The risks of traveling at high speed at night at sea are probably more then most of us would take. You can't really have someone on the pulpit. By the time they see an obstacle at twenty k it's too late. A Waterlogged container, or other debris could hole the yacht. It's just a risk racers live with. These guys choose crew they don't think they are ever going to have to doubt. Not any warfrat can just saunter onto a maxi. I'm not going to castigate the captain. Nor even the navigator. Maybe the software writer who thought layers on a chart would be a good idea
I wonder if they left the yacht on the reef? That's a lot of carbon fiber out there.
Ix

[BOAT]

Really, if any one of you guys ran your MAC into the rocks and then posted on here that it was not your fault do you really think anyone here would buy that? Let's be real. Why are you letting this guy off the hook?

[Highlander]

It,s the same on a plane is it not if the co-pilot screw,s up . The pilot take the heat for it !!

J

[BOAT]

It,s the same on a plane is it not if the co-pilot screw,s up . The pilot take the heat for it !!

J

RIGHT! And besides - I know for a fact that none of you guys would ever do such a boneheaded thing in a million years - If I can trust a bunch of tub sloggers in 20 thousand dollar floating chlorox bottles then I surely would expect that I could trust some Harvard College boy on his 12 million dollar racing yacht.

So who are the real seaman here? (I'll put my money on you guys over that idiot race boat driver any day.)

Did he win the race? No.

My point, my score.

[sailboatmike]

The legal rule of the water is "the captain is responsible for the safety of the boat and his / her crew" end of story.

Even if the captain isnt on the bridge and is asleep in his cabin, guess what, he is responsible

A typical example of how easy things can go wrong, we were coming home a couple of weeks ago, the Admiral on the wheel, as a good skipper I was just relaxing and making an occasional scan of the surroundings, it was a crappy day so there wasnt many boats out, off the port bow about 300 yards away I see an isolated danger mark, I say to the admiral come to starboard there is a mark off the port bow, she says there is nothing on the plotter, I dont care says I, I can see the isolated danger mark, we come to starboard and pass the mark with 50 odd yards sea room, a quick check of the plotter showed that it was zoomed out too far to give enough detail to show the isolated danger mark. (A nasty rocky outcrop in the middle of the bay)

It shows you cant just trust technology, there is no substitute for having a proper lookout, which is also a requirement under the rules of the water.

If we would of hit the rocks it would of been my fault as skipper, even if she had zoomed the plotter out and forgotten to zoom it back in, at 5 foot not much, she cant see over the cabin while sitting on the captains seat of the X.

IM lucky, she loves sailing and helping run the boat, more than happy to give her the helm so I can relax, I even get to go up on the bow on occasion and dangle my feet over,, a pleasure not many skippers get

[Ixneigh]

I keep the dogs around so I can blame them. And they are so cute no one would convict them.

[yukonbob]

Reminds me of an example for a similar post. Power boater A is legally drunk, high thrust prop ‘walking’ his boat full tilt across the lake with a bunch of friends…

House boater B is having engine issues and captain is in engine compartment trying to fix. Several others on board as well…

Boat A inevitably hits boat B, severe damages (some serious injuries, but no deaths, I think) and it goes to court for insurance purposes…

Clean cut case no? Courts determined the following:

Boater A is deemed 80% at fault for being drunk and for using improper prop and operation for not being able to see what was in front of him.

Boater B is 20% at fault for not designating a lookout and flying proper daytime signal for vessel in distress.

If boater A hadn’t been drunk and improperly using his boat imagine what the outcome would be.