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Re: need set up help, and mods.

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Wind Chime wrote:I always rig by myself, and the rigging time is fairly fast ... it’s putting out all the extra crap that takes the time :) cushions, dodger, life rings, burgees, cockpit cushions, on and on and on.
Same here. Plus I take too long to rig. Gotta work on all of that.
Wind Chime wrote:We have the adjustable backstay on our X and it works great for loosening the forestay to attach, so no need for a Johnson Lever.
The PO's used a small turnbuckle, so I've just stayed with it, though a Johnson lever would be marginally quicker. But I disconnect the backstay for transport, which adds a few more seconds at each end. Those seconds really start to add up. :|
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

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I can rig solo and launch the boat in a comfortable time of about 30 minutes--that's without rushing, and its from pull-out of storage to leaving the dock.

EVERYTHING you add to the boat seems to increase that time though. You have to think through mods to be sure they're not going to add to rigging time if it's important to you.

However--the reverse operation is about an hour. Pulling out of the water is more complicated that putting in, and unrigging is more complicated than rigging. You're working against entropy in both cases when you pull out, and you need to leave daylight (or have a ramp with lights) if you intend to day sail.

I've done it a number of times, but I vastly prefer to put into a slip for a weekend whenever possible. Now I'm at mast-up storage in a marina that lets us use slips for free for the weekend, so I've gotten very lazy (and happy).

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Post by Newell »

I like what mastreb said about dealing with entropy when taking down.
Lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
It takes more time and just doing it right is more challenging to the tired mind.
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

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Mastreb wrote...
EVERYTHING you add to the boat seems to increase that time though.

Ditto.I’ve noticed that those with the more heavily- equipped boats, such as myself, don’t get involved as much in the time to rig and de-rig threads. The more of those boxes you check off when you order your boat, the longer it will take to launch and pull out.

For example, while the design and construction of the full enclosure makes it as fast as it reasonably can be, it still adds considerably to the time and complexity of it. I'm very happy that the Admiral has taken to helping with, and sometimes taking charge of, some of the details. And there are always a few little things that you want to change (=improve) while rigging and de-rigging that add to the time too.

I haven’t made a checklist for it yet because I haven’t done it enough times to be conclusive on which ways, and sequence, are the best to do it.

Keeping the boat slipped for the season has its benefits, but getting experience rigging and de-rigging isn’t one of them! :x

-Brian. :wink:
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When I'm crossing big water with 5 teens, I prep nice and slowly and get everything stowed exactly in its place. No shortcuts. Very different than prepping for a lake or river sail
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

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I put pelican hooks on my cockpit lifelines, but the front lifelines already had some keypin shackles (like a halyard shackle) on the stanchions that connect them near where the Genoa sheets run through...slot adjusters are at the front of those lifelines only. Is that not stock? Maybe the PO put them there since my boat was 3 yrs old when I got it...but I just figured they were stock. Anyway, I always disconnect them and run the lifeline all the way to the stanchion. This loosens them up enough that the spreaders go over top of them and do not touch them when trailering. I can't imagine getting them under those lifelines. I use snap shackles most everywhere else and leave my baby stays attached all the time. When perfectly adjusted, they are the right length, you just have to make sure that the slot adjusters flip over and don't get caught under the jib sheet tracks when going from trailering to stepped position. After a while, you learn what a snag feels like, wherever it may be, and you don't push against it, or you are going to bend/break something.

I do everything single handed and use the mast raising system otherwise I can't get the right tension in the rigging. And yes, it does add some time and there is a lot more to do than simply raising the mast and attaching the boom (set up the bimini, maybe the dodger, run halyards and sheets aft, etc)..heck, just attaching the boom to the mast, attaching the topping lift, running all the sail slugs into the mast (without skipping one), untieing and attaching boom vang and main sheet and taking off the cover can take 15 mins by itself. If I want to break a sweat, I can do it all in 45 mins, but an hour is more like what it really takes, and I don't like to rush it too much or else I might make mistakes. And if I didn't trailer my boat at least once every couple of months, it would take longer than that because you get out of practice. And funny, because when I'm setting up/taking down with someone else right next to me doing the same single handedly, it seems to take them just as long as well...maybe even longer. :P

And I have the stock crutch and the roller still turns so I don't know whats up with that, maybe you have the bolt too tight? And I don't support the end of my furler nor would ever dream of putting it down below... it only gets bent if I leave it on the trailer for a long time..but as I mentioned, as long as I'm trailering every couple of months, it always straightens back out in the Florida sun and I don't worry about it sagging a bit on the trailer. Only downside is that I have scratched the lift gate of on my SUV by disconnecting the trailer and dropping the tongue down with the hatch open.
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

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tkanzler wrote:
Phil M wrote:. . . the only mod I have NOT done is to improve that stupid roller on the mast crutch. Maybe some day :(
I made a new roller (there's a thread on it somewhere) out of Starboard, and it's soooo much easier to handle the mast. I can't believe MacGregor used that dopey rubber-hubbed roller.

I may make some this winter and offer them for cost (no labor - I just like turning, and have been doing it for 45 years), but I'll have to talk to the mods before going public with it.
Well, sign me up for a new roller. I have no equipment to turn and carve up a proper fitting roller for the :macm: .
BTW, Merry Christmas all.
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

Post by Neo »

Boblee wrote:Image
Hi Boblee,

I'm looking for a place to mount my spare trailer wheel and noticed your trailer has it mounted on the drawbar .... Could you kindly upload some photos of the bracket that holding that wheel?

Many thanks
Neo
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

Post by Russ »

**** Warning ***** old thread alert.

Mount it with a bracket.
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ ... tire+mount
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

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Tomfoolery wrote:I made a new roller (there's a thread on it somewhere) out of Starboard, and it's soooo much easier to handle the mast. I can't believe MacGregor used that dopey rubber-hubbed roller.
Yesterday I put an SS sleeve inside the original roller and it rolls really easily now.

All the best.
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Re: need set up help, and mods.

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RussMT wrote:Mount it with a bracket.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ ... tire+mount
Thanks Russ.

My wheels are 5 Stud (ford pattern) and 7" wide (not sure if they are original) .... Would this Tire Carrier bracket be OK for my wheels?

Many thanks.
Neo
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