More Ms than Xs?

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Re: More Ms than Xs?

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Highlander wrote:...The early :macm: design ... when dining every one on port side has to move to allow access to the head or V-Berth...
I have a 2005 :macm: with the "early design"! I love the openness, but do find the original table too big for everyday use, although it’s nice for dinner for four adults. I was thinking that one of the removed head doors would nicely match the galley and be the perfect width, with just a simple cut to make it the right length. Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to find the original hardware to make the mod. I don’t want to cannibalize the original table, so I guess I need to find a couple of pennies and a good source of stainless steel tubes.
This is my third Mac! I upgraded my M25 to a M26D (no smilies for older boats?) and love the openness of the "D" design. I was looking for a :macx: (mainly caused I wanted the bigger/ taller head) when I found this version of the :macm: and fell in love. Has anyone ever installed a :macx: style head in a :macm: ?
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Re: More Ms than Xs?

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frede wrote:
Highlander wrote:...The early :macm: design ... when dining every one on port side has to move to allow access to the head or V-Berth...
I have a 2005 :macm: with the "early design"! I love the openness, but do find the original table too big for everyday use, although it’s nice for dinner for four adults. I was thinking that one of the removed head doors would nicely match the galley and be the perfect width, with just a simple cut to make it the right length. Unfortunately, I’ve been unable to find the original hardware to make the mod. I don’t want to cannibalize the original table, so I guess I need to find a couple of pennies and a good source of stainless steel tubes.
This is my third Mac! I upgraded my M25 to a M26D (no smilies for older boats?) and love the openness of the "D" design. I was looking for a :macx: (mainly caused I wanted the bigger/ taller head) when I found this version of the :macm: and fell in love. Has anyone ever installed a :macx: style head in a :macm: ?
I made my own table b/c I didn't like how much space the factory table used. The table I made is small enough to allow someone to access the head. Even with the extra gap, using the table from the port side works reasonably well.
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Re: More Ms than Xs?

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EZ wrote:I made my own table b/c I didn't like how much space the factory table used. The table I made is small enough to allow someone to access the head. Even with the extra gap, using the table from the port side works reasonably well.
What kind of hardware did you use?
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i have a 2004 :macm: with fixed galley. At first I was disappointed that it was not the sliding type seen on the marketing video but now I would not change it and it took a few week long cruises with three large men to realize the fixed galley configuration may even be better for my style of cruising. At 5 ft 10 and well over 200 pounds, I am the small guy in the group. My two guests were 6 ft 4 and the other was 6ft 1. I thought long and hard about sleeping arrangements as using the rear berth meant moving gear around for sleeping. Weventually found what was best for us

I was assigned the Vee berth as they were too tall for it and I fit perfectly in it with all my kit too. The big guy slept on the long port side bunk and had a few feet of space to spare. The other slept in on the starboard bunk which was slightly too short for him as it is only about 5 ft 10 but we extended it with a pillow. His feet were almost touching the cooler on the aft berth and he was comfortable.

We used the aft berth to store two coolers, food, guest bags, sleeping bags and other kit for the trip. The open access on both sides of the rear berth made getting to things a pleasure as everything stayed put. The cabin arrangement is much more spacious and that was really appreciated with three adults on board. We never used the table and kept it tucked away against the dagger board trunk in order to have extra space. I agree with the posts that the table is too big but we really did not miss it at all and used the ample floor space on occasion. I can easily cut the table but why bother. The galley was used to boil water for coffee in the mornings and evenings only. All cooking was done using the bbq and we ate on our laps in the cockpit and occasionally using the cockpit table.

I also cruise with my wife and two small kids. Kids in the Vee berth and my wife and I sleep on the port and starboard bunk. At 5ft 10, I fit everywhere and can stand too. Storing all kit in the aft berth avoids clutter and there is no need to move things around for sleeping like we did before. Simply pull out your sleeping bag which is also stored in the aft berth..that place is large. For now, this works great but the kids will grow! :?

For me, the so called golden years with the fixed galley appears to have a few advantages for cruising with larger groups but I can see the appeal of the sliding galley as it is better for in cabin cooking and perhaps better for one or two adults. I am just more of a bbq guy so the cabin cooking thing is not as important as having a big open space and good access to the aft berth.

Gone are the days of sleeping in the aft berth for now. I would be interested to know how others organize themselves and how things can work as my two kids grow older.
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Slowly over time everyone refused to sleep in the stern berth on our M. For us now, its kids in the V and me in the port and we drop the dinette table for the wife. The stern berth is storage...

Talking of numbers, For years,, the consensus seemed to be that Roger had sold 38000 boats which included 5000 Xs and 3500 Ms. (those figures never seemed to change)

Does anyone know the real figures for power sailer sales. How many Ms, Xs and Tatoo26s were sold in total :?:
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:macx: will rule the day. There was about the same production run in years, but the :macm: production was limited by CA rules on VOC emissions to half the run rate of the :macx: boats.

We did have a hull number thread somewhere....
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FishyFabs wrote:I would be interested to know how others organize themselves and how things can work as my two kids grow older.
On our :macx: , I sleep in the vee berth and the admiral sleeps on the table, head to head. The table has the advantage of the compression post for a hand hold, and easy access. The stern berth is storage only, and the boat didn't even have cushions back there when I got it.

I should add that my kids are grown now, and have never stayed overnight on this boat, so no help there. But if they were young, they'd have to use the stern berth, as the young-uns are far more capable of climbing back there than either of us are. :wink:
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Re: More Ms than Xs?

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Mac26Mpaul wrote:Slowly over time everyone refused to sleep in the stern berth on our M. For us now, its kids in the V and me in the port and we drop the dinette table for the wife. The stern berth is storage...

Talking of numbers, For years,, the consensus seemed to be that Roger had sold 38000 boats which included 5000 Xs and 3500 Ms. (those figures never seemed to change)

Does anyone know the real figures for power sailer sales. How many Ms, Xs and Tatoo26s were sold in total :?:
It's something like just under 8,000 Model X and a bit under 4000 M + Tattoo 26 combined. So Ultimately there are twice as many X as M out there.
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mastreb wrote:
Mac26Mpaul wrote:Slowly over time everyone refused to sleep in the stern berth on our M. For us now, its kids in the V and me in the port and we drop the dinette table for the wife. The stern berth is storage...

Talking of numbers, For years,, the consensus seemed to be that Roger had sold 38000 boats which included 5000 Xs and 3500 Ms. (those figures never seemed to change)

Does anyone know the real figures for power sailer sales. How many Ms, Xs and Tatoo26s were sold in total :?:
It's something like just under 8,000 Model X and a bit under 4000 M + Tattoo 26 combined. So Ultimately there are twice as many X as M out there.
Which means the :macm: will be more of a jewel find just like the :mac19: of which I believe only 1000 where built before they were dropped to start production of the :macx: .

Coincidentally it is that the :macm: is the bigger sister of the :mac19:

My :mac19: before I sold her
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/m ... CN1406.jpg

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/m ... 010015.jpg

My :macm:
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010097.jpg

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010003.jpg

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 010002.jpg

J :wink: :P 8)
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But only two with Highlander sail plans and mods - stop showing off J :P



So many figures thrown around on the net. Mastreb, Are those figures from a reliable source, or from your internet expert friends uncles dogs sisters stepfathers mums pet iguana? :)
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I would think when Roger Macgregor says 5000 X's the number would be pretty right as they were being no longer produced, the number of M's and Tattoos may of swelled slightly from the 2500 he mentioned as they were still in production
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Mike,
Roger said 5000 |Xs and 3000 Ms
see this page
http://www.macgregor26.com/index.html
, those figures were on the Macgregor site 5 years back when I bought my boat and I imagine sometime before that.
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frede wrote:
EZ wrote:I made my own table b/c I didn't like how much space the factory table used. The table I made is small enough to allow someone to access the head. Even with the extra gap, using the table from the port side works reasonably well.
What kind of hardware did you use?
I used a chrome tube, a gate latch, and some screw on clamps from home depot. I may upgrade to ss marine hardware as I am starting to see some corrosion.
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The only times anyone has used the rear berth for sleeping are the few times it has been kind of cold at night. Otherwise, it is pretty uncomfortable without any real ventilation.
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We sleep in the stern berth. I sleep port, the admiral in the middle. The berth is so spacious that there's room enough for stowing things like life vests on starboard, which is behind the head. Ventilation isn't a big issue, since we sleep with our heads right beneath the cabin entrance.
Most Northern / Western Europeans are too tall for the V-birth. At just over 6 feet I fit in, but together with the admiral our legs would be involved in a spaghetti incident. So we use the V-berth for stowage.
I've had the luxury of sailing both the :macm: and the :macx: . In fact sailing the :macm: for a week in Croatia made me decide I wanted an :macx: . Main factor: the mid-ship head of the M. I consider the bench opposite to the head on the M a total waste of space. Who would want to sit opposite to a head? A pervert maybe :P And since we sail mostly in a tidal sea with often less than 3 feet of water I really love the kick up centerboard. I suspect I would soon get into serious trouble with the daggerboard of the :macm: .
Oh, and we use the galley...well, as a galley. Cooking simple meals in the evening and baking eggs, bacon and cheese for breakfast. We eat in the cockpit, if the weather allows us.
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