Johnson Lever at forestay - shroud mods

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Johnson Lever at forestay - shroud mods

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Okay, simple question...
I have a Johnson Lever that I decided to add under the forestay while I have the mast down for other reasons. I have figured out which hole I can use to maximize the opened length (slack) and minimize the closed length (tight)... It can really only go on there one way without interference from other things (and it was not the way I thought it was going to be mounted!).

So it looks like I'll be raising the forestay hound and upper shroud attachments about 15 inches. Obviously, I have to do something to lengthen the upper shrouds.
(A cable stretcher anyone?) :D

The shrouds appear to be in pretty good shape still, and buying new ones would tend to make the case for buying ALL new shrouds...not an option I really want to have to pursue right now - just throwing more money at this - at least until I've tried it and know it will work well. :(

So the second option I was considering was going ahead and buying a crimping tool and the nicropress fittings and some cable and doing it myself, which is a very valid option, but also another significant investment. :?

So then there is a shroud extender...okay, call it just a long tang. Is there any reason I can't just add a long tang up there (and not use the small existing tang - let it hang free on the cable end)? I could easily have one made up at work from scrap stainless, and bend the end that goes up against the mast like the existing one is bent, and then use a shackle (or something like it) to connect it to the end of the cable? If I do this, I have the ability to work out the issues, try it, adjust it, and then when I really do need to replace the shrouds, I could have the correct length made up and remove the long tang. But it would get me going in the mean time.

Any thoughts? about this, I mean
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Post by drams_1999 »

I did this mod myself on my "M" and ran a similar topic. See the link below for my thread and what I used to extend the top of the shrouds up to the new mast hound location:

http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/v ... on#p272531

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq28 ... ture-2.jpg

It worked great on my boat, not sure about your geometry on an "S" but you should be able to use a similar product to extend yours. On my boat I only had to move the hound about 6 inches or so, not sure why yours is being moved so much farther up. You may need something larger. Is your Johnson lever much larger than mine????? LMAO. :D :D

Good luck!
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Well apparently there was some rum involved in my calculations... :D

Actually, a simple mistake when adding the length of the lever in my head - tired, trying to calculate it too fast. I knew it didn't sound right, and yet did the same (wrong) calculation over and over... :)
LOL! Good thing i didn't buy it yet! 8)

I'll only be adding six inches. To the mast hound height. On the boat.

Thanks for the help! :!:
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Post by raycarlson »

You'll get a lot more adjustability and finer tuning with a turnbuckle. I left my location for stays in original position and raised forestay furler only. works great.
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Post by innervations »

I tend to agree with Ray. Why bother moving the stays up to the higher position? If the distance is only 6" the bending strength of the mast over that distance must be enormous. Am I missing something as installing a Jonhson lever is a mod I am considering.
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Does anyone have pics of their Johnson Lever? On the boat... :wink:

Just about to make the changes....
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Here,s mine on my inner forestay for my Storm Jib before I put it on a furler
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/ ... 7ab027.jpg

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Well it appears that I bought a Johnson lever that would work on a plain forestay (15-212), but not on one with a furler. I bought it a few years back when I was first rushing to put the boat in the water and knew far less about these things than I do now... After discussing how I might use it anyway and add something to it to make it work, I think the best long-term solution is going to be to buy the right type for what I need (14-205). This makes the questions I've had go away and completion becomes clear! 8)

Thanks for the input.
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vizwhiz wrote:Does anyone have pics of their Johnson Lever? On the boat... :wink:

Just about to make the changes....
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Pretty similar view

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Post by Highlander »

Mike
I would not recommend using a boom bail as a mast hound , a mast hound sits on ur mast like a saddle
http://www.westmarine.com/p/545707

The saddle helps to absorb some of the shock on ur mast , a boom bail is basically a straight pull on the center of the mast I used this one above on my :mac19: it had the same mast as an :macx: .
U could use the boom bail for mounting a mast halyard block , storm jib or jib block
here,s a pic of the mast hound on my :mac19: that I installed when I cutter rigged her there r 3 rivet holes for mounting I just drilled out the center hole & used a 3/8" S/S bolt
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/m ... 0003-1.jpg
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I appreciate the input and ideas, John. For those who were wondering, I had PM'd Highlander asking about some jib/mast mods, in particular, whether it would be okay to use a boom bail as a mast hound for a removable inner forestay on which to mount my old hank-on jib to try to get better pointing ability during heavier winds when I would be furling the genoa and messing up the shape. :idea:

The reason I thought it might work and asked about it is because my forestay at this point is attached using the two factory "tangs"...they're bent funny, perhaps, but still not a true hound, just two stainless straps holding on by the through-bolt. I figured that a bail, which can take the tension of the mainsheet, was probably just as strong and attached with the same through-bolt arrangement as the existing forestay tang arrangement.

I'm not pushing for doing something stupid, mind you, I'm just in possession of several spare bails and no spare hounds. :P
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Post by wcole »

When I installed a Johnson Lever on my forestay on an 26X, I purchased a new shorter forestay with fittings on it (from Rigging Only, or something like that, I believe). This was 10 years ago, but I don't remember it being that expensive.

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