Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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sunshinecoasting wrote:OK, I'll ask the obviuos question, why back it in? Why not drive it in and back it out? Much easier in my opinion, especially if the slip is tight. I agree with tkanzler's idea except I dont know that it needs to be a two stage approach, this probably wont work in such confines as you describe but what I have been pretty successful at is (CB down, rudders down) coming in a lilttle quicker than you would normally at about a 20 degree angle, say walking pace and then quickly reversing the wheel and applying moderate reverse, this slows you down and also walks you sideways towards the dock, if you get it just right the boat simply stops dead a foot or so from the dock and parallel to it (never happens while people are watching though for some reason), I only apply this method when I have a hand on deck, if you get it wrong you dont have time to run forward and stop the inevitable smack in to the dock. It is imperative to remember to reverse the wheel before hitting reverse, otherwise the stern will walk away from the dock and you end up at 45 degrees to it. sure can be confusing though, when I have an audience I just come in extra slow and am happy to have any part of the boat touching the dock at a stand still, then jump off with a rope in your hand and walk it to birth.
That's exactly what I'm trying to describe. The two-stage part is where you're moving forward and put it in reverse, with rudders and CB down, the boat will act like a keel boat until it's moving slow enough that the reverse thrust that's not centered ('cause the wheel's not centered) overpowers the rudders and pulls the stern in the opposite direction you want it to go, so you have to spin the wheel over to pull the stern into the dock (for instance).

It takes getting used to. My FIL gets all flustered, as he's used to his trawler, which steers like a keel boat, and the directed thrust from the prop can mess you up when the boat is moving forward and the engine is in reverse. I usually come into a wall, often between two boats, at a shallow angle, run the forward part close to the wall with rudders straight (engine in neutral), cut the wheel to swing the stern in if there's room (and if not, hit reverse to slow to a crawl), then spin the wheel toward the wall and burp some reverse to stop forward motion and swing the stern in at the same time. It takes practice, but it's not hard to grease it in like you know what you're doing. :wink:

But the I/O style power boat and inboard keel boat in one package thing definitely takes getting used to. :D
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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The most effective technique for docking or navigating in tight areas it to go in REVERSE, as was suggested many times ...
Because .....
Center / dagger board down, as much as you can afford for the depth of the area, and at least one rudder down. Stand in front of the pedestal, facing backwards. The steering is natural that way. You can positively see the rudder position, and have a great view of where you are going, as opposed to looking over the high bow twenty feet away, and the steering effect is immediate, because you are standing right between the two points of control. Keep under steady slow way, do not stop or you will drift without control. If you are coming too close to a dock or other vessel, at least you are right there with a paddle, or boat-hook to fend off. You are also in a better position to jump onto the dock from the cockpit.

I would enter the harbor normally, then at a place where you can do a comfortable three-point turn, head in a bit, stop and immediately go into reverse, then back on your track the rest of the way to your dock or slip.

Of course it doesn't work to go in reverse if you are getting onto your trailer. I came up with the PVC "corral" and side boards mod for the trailer, to deal with cross winds and currents while putting the boat onto the trailer.
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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I was crew on a 45 foot Morgan/Catalina recently. I liked the way our captain backed into a tight berth. He had two spring lines run back to the cockpit. As soon as he got his stern to the outer pilings, on went the spring lines. Then, all he had to do was put the engine in reverse and guide the boat in by carefully letting out the springlines until he was in. Then, tie up the stern lines and the bow lines. Total control.
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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O.K., seeing how my Sunday is going to be full day in figuring this out............ let me ask this question! CB down, rudders down, am I to leave the engine hooked to the steering, or un-hooked and straight? I plan on finding someplace to hide away from everyone but a couple of pilings or markers, lol
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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bbenkert26x wrote:let me ask this question! CB down, rudders down, am I to leave the engine hooked to the steering, or un-hooked and straight?
I wouldn't un-hook the engine. :)
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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Get a bunch of old tires, hang them around your new toy, practice. Need to figure out what works for you.
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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bb-

Having the engine disconnected from the steering and pointing straight ahead greatly reduces your manoeuvrability because your thrust is no longer helping you in the direction of your turn. The ability to "steer the prop" and have directed thrust is a huge advantage than many sailboats (keelboats) don't have. It one thing that gives our boats the ability to "turn on a dime". :wink:
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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Backing it in is perfectly doable but if less than straight, it will tend to grab to one side and it can take some distance pull itself straight. if the wnd/current is up, typcally it never does. I tend go in bow first most places unless extremely windy and I cant keep the bow where I want it.

If that tight. I'd nudge the bow in and use the fenders to gently align itslef then edge forward. Shoud be easier than a wide slip in that respect, particualy when windy. Six inches CB and one rudder has always been fine for me but if in doubt, put it all down.
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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but if less than straight, it will tend to grab to one side and it can take some distance pull itself straight
Backing also exposes the daggerboard to turbulence from the prop wash, which can also push the boat sideways; something that doesn't happen when moving forward.

But retracting the DB to stop this will introduce other far greater control problems.
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Re: Backing up 26X into a tight slip!

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Gear In - Gear Out
This may be obvious to old salts, but if a new boater has never used this technique before it can be a big uh-huh moment.

Having the consistent correct speed is one of the keys for safe docking on any boat.
Have the motor in gear but no throttle, the put it in nuetral, then back in gear, then neutral.
This keeps the boat moving, but under control.

Good luck this weekend!
by bbenkert26x » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:27 am

O.K., seeing how my Sunday is going to be full day in figuring this out............ let me ask this question! CB down, rudders down, am I to leave the engine hooked to the steering, or un-hooked and straight? I plan on finding someplace to hide away from everyone but a couple of pilings or markers, lol
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