Kill Me, Hurt Me, or Just Make a Mess?

[Wind Chime]

OK, this may be a fun thread

Kill Me, Hurt Me, or Just Make a Mess?

After installing a new 13 gallon electric water system last year, and a 19” TV/DVD, I was sitting in the boat at the marina last weekend contemplating my next mods which are; an AC/DC overhaul; and additional secure food storage. The weather was terrible outside and the wind was blowing so hard I thought it was going to blow the boat off the trailer and on its side … when it dawned on me to do a “knock-down” assessment. Paranoid or Prepared?

We’ve been tossed about quite hard on the water before, and I soon found out that things that I thought were secure, were not. So anyway, back on the boat, I tilted my head 90 degrees (to simulate a knock-down) to see what would move or fall-out and about if the boat got knocked on its side? I started to make a list of things to categorized as items that would either; “Kill Me, Hurt Me, or Just Make a Mess”. I’ll take this list to try to find some solutions.

What’s on your list ?

[kmclemore]

I started to make a list of things to categorized as items that would either; “Kill Me, Hurt Me, or Just Make a Mess”. ... What’s on your list ?

My wife.

[DaveB]

Take in slow and easy as your family probably do not like 20-40 degree heels.
Keep the Boat at a 10 degree heel and that may result in a 15-20 degree with gust.
When unknown guest are on my boat in a windy day I just use the jib and furl when needed.
Don't scare them so they will enjoy next trip.
Worst mistake is takeing a Landluber partty out sailing with a 20 degree heel.
Dave

OK, this may be a fun thread

Kill Me, Hurt Me, or Just Make a Mess?

After installing a new 13 gallon electric water system last year, and a 19” TV/DVD, I was sitting in the boat at the marina last weekend contemplating my next mods which are; an AC/DC overhaul; and additional secure food storage. The weather was terrible outside and the wind was blowing so hard I thought it was going to blow the boat off the trailer and on its side … when it dawned on me to do a “knock-down” assessment. Paranoid or Prepared?

We’ve been tossed about quite hard on the water before, and I soon found out that things that I thought were secure, were not. So anyway, back on the boat, I tilted my head 90 degrees (to simulate a knock-down) to see what would move or fall-out and about if the boat got knocked on its side? I started to make a list of things to categorized as items that would either; “Kill Me, Hurt Me, or Just Make a Mess”. I’ll take this list to try to find some solutions.

What’s on your list ?

[Wind Chime]

Thanks Dave, appreciate you heeling precautions ... but you may be missing the point of the thread which was to encourage us to take a look at how we have things stored and secured onboard.

Let's put it a different way ... you're hit by a ferry wake while transiting a tide-gate, this can rock our boats over to 40 degrees pretty fast. What's in your boat that will fall on the sole when heeled hard over?

A few examples from my list:
1) The 13 gallon water system I just installed weighs 100lbs, and is installed on the starboard side under the cooler. This could come out lifting the cooler liner and cooler with all the food, water, and ice, onto the sole.
2) All the wood covers for the storage areas would come out and clutter the sole.
3) Our 3-piece hatch cover that is stowed under the table would probaly find a new home for itself.
3) Pens, dividers, and nav tools would fly from thier existing holder.

by DaveB » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:41 pm

Take in slow and easy as your family probably do not like 20-40 degree heels.
Keep the Boat at a 10 degree heel and that may result in a 15-20 degree with gust.
When unknown guest are on my boat in a windy day I just use the jib and furl when needed.
Don't scare them so they will enjoy next trip.
Worst mistake is takeing a Landluber partty out sailing with a 20 degree heel.
Dave

[fishheadbarandgrill]

This is why I have all my booze in plastic bottles.

Bob

[jassr4848]

I’m thinking porta potti/head if someone didn't do the right thing and flush it, could make a mess.

[yukonbob]

Yes above 55 degrees with the top tank full and the waste tank near empty, the PP will take a seat on the seat across form the head or on the wall depending on how long you can hold the angle.

Good sailing weather comes up fast and unpredictable here. So when I say it's time to sail my wife scrambles to prep the cabin. But she's learning

[bartmac]

Got hit side on by a wake from a very large fast pleasure vessel and it wasn't pretty....stuff flew everywhere including my 80 year old mother sleeping below.......so we now make sure everything has place complete with hold downs.Being at anchor probably made it worse but still a lesson learned

[mastreb]

We keep literally everything low on the boat. I've installed nothing above the sole liner except for stern rail seats and the chartplotter. All my trons, all storage, all tanks, everything is below the lower (sole) liner. This adds to stability rather than reducing it, and it keeps everything that might move below you.

Above the sole, we only have 3M sticky hooks and we use bags hanging from them for stowage. These don't come off until about 90 degrees of heel, which hopefully we won't see.

I lived on a ship in the Navy for four years, and I've done 45 degree rolls for weeks on a 500 foot long cruiser. Thinks that happened:

1) had four 400 degree greasy hot buttered 25 lbs. turkeys explode out of ovens on Thanksgiving day, and knock around the galley and mess decks for about 30 minutes until they cooled enough to get them under control. If you think 45 degree rolls are bad, try 45 degree rolls on a greasy deck. We had to be rescued off the mess decks by damage control-men using lines and rope ladders.

2) My Leading Petty Officer's console pedestal chair snapped off at the base. I was talking to him at the time at my console, and he disappeared like out of bewitched or "I dream of Jeanie". Just gone. As I was blinking in astonishment and trying to figure out what happened, he came sliding back from the other side of Combat like a crab on its back, yelling at me to grab him. Took eight trips back and forth across the room before I could secure him to my chair with my belt.

3) Our steelcase filing cabinet came unlocked. Our shop was covered in paperwork to a depth of six inches.

4) Everything else on the ship was secured with 1/4 inch line, everywhere like spiderwebs.

And this is in a Navy that's been securing for sea for 200 years. You'll never get everything.

Matt

[yukonbob]

we only have 3M sticky hooks and we use bags hanging from them for stowage.

We use 'C' shaped shower curtain hooks tucked behind the headliner. You can slide them where ever you need them. For the smaller items we usually have a black reusable shopping bag on one of those hooks.

[mastreb]

we only have 3M sticky hooks and we use bags hanging from them for stowage.

We use 'C' shaped shower curtain hooks tucked behind the headliner. You can slide them where ever you need them. For the smaller items we usually have a black reusable shopping bag on one of those hooks.

That's a great idea!

[yukonbob]

We've been trying to find the right sized hammock to string across the beam of the boat, but they're either too big or too small. Just for blankets or life jackets so they're off the hull and have good airflow.

[Divecoz]

Like most of you, we try and keep everything down low or bolted securely.. On one occasion, a near knock down, the biggest flying object was my dog .. No worse for wear but she now refuses to go below if we are not at the dock.

[yukonbob]

Our one dog wedges himself up in the v berth and the other no matter how rough will try to come up top

[BOAT]

Comrad Kmclemore rightly points out the FIRST thing on the boat that can cause you the most physical damage.

Captain Fishead brings up a very important point and also identifies the SECOND thing that must be secured.

Chief Steward jassr4848 is very astute at pointing out the THIRD most important thing to secure ESPECIALLY if you’re the admiral of Yukon Bob. Since Yukon Bob expects the FIRST thing to secure the THIRD thing and if the THIRD thing goes tumbling while the FIRST thing is trying to secure said THIRD thing then the Captain will have the TWO most dangerous things coming at him through the companionway in short order. Not a good thing.

I would figure that’s the list: one, two, three.

(Oh, and I would add a turkey as number four if you’re on mastrebs boat).