Aussie Tow Hacks.

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Mutt did you get your trailer re rated when you put the tandem setup under it?
Relackson what were you interested in about the Darwin Kimberly trip or for that matter anywhere across the top eg roads, access, best spots etc.
Bartmac AGREE the single wheel option is the best way to go but the axle etc you got is it easy to access parts or compatible with aussie suppliers, why did you go with the painting option rather than gal but like what you are doing, how hard to get it re rated?
Now I have got a new knee am starting to get excited about keeping the boat and if I decide to head North will probably look at gal dipping and putting cruiser wheels on (axle Alco already rated 2.5 tonne) and getting re rated to 2.5 tonne but think that requires elec brakes and breakaway anyway in NSW at least but do have an option to register in Vic.
Would love to have another Kimberly trip especially a bit longer one than last time (6 weeks) but even the Roper or or :D :D .
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Re: Aussie Tow Hacks.

Post by The Mutt »

We imported with the dual axle setup already in place, everything was then engineered as if it was brand new. We didn't worry about an over 2 ton rating, neither was the inspector or RTA technical division that the inspector rang about 20 times for compliance rulings.

The second axle looks identical to the original axle minus the hydraulic brakes, we recently replaced the bearings with both axles using the same replacement parts, all the inner bearings are a different size to the outer bearings.

My your Councils potholes be under your worst enemy's wheels
Fair winds

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Hey Glenn

Where did you mount your solar panels?

Are you going to use your arch to lift your dinghy ?

Love some photos when finished

Allan
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Re: Aussie Tow Hacks.

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Hi Boblee

Yep. All of the above - and any more.....

Haven't done much long-haul cruising yet; but probably major dream is to head to the Kimberleys. Summer based at Newhaven in Western Port Bay; have done a couple of short stints on the Gippsland Lakes.

I'm pleased to see that a Mac has gone up there. I don't know a great deal about the area, and was unsure whether a Mac could handle the conditions e.g. huge tides and fast currents. How did you go for supplies e.g. food, fuel, water?

Hope you can get there again.

PS: GREAT TO SEE A LENGTHY AUSSIE THREAD. LET'S KEEP THIS UP.

Thanks all

Stan
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Glenn got me buggered how yours weighed in at 1660 with an extra axle under it even empty maybe I had better use another weighbridge.
Stan Good roads all the way especially if you go up the centre and then theres no hills so you aren't holding anybody up if dawdling, well good roads by Aussie standards but I like going up through QLD as it's a bit more interesting but the roads are a bit worse especially when you meet a roadtrain on a narrow single lane and need to head for the scrub but no problem if you pay attention and check everything each day.
We usually take about 2-3 weeks to get somewhere like Wyndham but could take more if we find something interesting having the boat on means you need to be careful of roads and have marine destination target but plenty of spots to launch on the way from your place.
:D Murray great but only summer, Spencer Gulf and even St Vincent gulf again summer, then nothing until Boroloola (macarther system and sir edward pellew islands) great for several months in the dry season but goat track and rough roads with some dirt, trailer does it easily, the Roper River rough road and some dirt but launch at the Bar and leave trailer at store (great fishing and beautiful river but nearly 200k's to mouth).
If still heading to the Kimberlies The Victoria River is worth a launch and a couple of weeks but I haven't had the :macm: in it yet just dinghies at various times, from there Lake Argyle is definitely worth a look and sail but got bored after a week as not much fishing :D but magnificent scenery actually the good kimberly scenery starts not far out of Katherine, the words that come to mind are beautiful and especially big.
You can launch at Lake Kununurra but didn't impress but be better get supplies (good) here before heading out to Wyndham there is a supermarket at Wyndham but limited supplies.
You can stay at the Caravan park (Wyndham) in the unpowered area and leave your trailer there safely but we left the truck and trailer at the boat ramp in Wyndham on advice from local copper, there are five major rivers which run into the Cambridge Gulf and all are worth exploring especially if you have a dinghy for fishing, unlimited sailing opportunities especially if you want a buzz heading through the tight bits near the mouths of the Ord river with an outgoing tide and a cross or following wind but definitely a daytime project (trust me) great sailing and exploring from there to the mouth and some magificent scenery and waterfalls with great fishing (Barra) on the west side.
Out the mouth there is some great scenery and fishing around Cape Dommet (and West) but you do need maps and tide times, we carried two anchors and set long scopes everywhere as the tides are vicious and patchy winds so better to find sheltered anchorages although just out from the boat ramp is good most times when near Wyndham but the anchorage at Lacrosse Island is rough (trust me) but can be managed by using a bridle and two anchors.
It's pretty rare to anchor in 8m of water and be beached at low tide as you have to allow for tide moving you over shallower water but great experience and one of the places I really would love to do again in the :macm:
From Kununurra or Wyndham there are some great local road trips eg Bungles and el questro or home valley but you can get to home valley if you like an adventure with the tides and rocks :D (never hit any) up the pentacost river.
Suggest for road trips have camping gear and be set up for several days or a week also some great gorges etc up the Gibb River road (can be rough).
You could travel from Wyndham around the coast to Derby or even Broome but definitely get proper maps and good local knowledge, I wouldn't do it with the wife but would with someone prepared to cop it rough if caught out as with the islands, tides and winds there can be wild and confused water especially if pushed for time and would also need? a satellite phone or HF radio for weather reports.
Time for bed but Darwin is a great place too and heaps of other rivers around there esp towards Kakadu.
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Nautek wrote:Hey Glenn

Where did you mount your solar panels?

Are you going to use your arch to lift your dinghy ?

Love some photos when finished

Allan
The solar panels are the latest addition, at the moment 1 panel clips between the starboard cabin top stanchions when on the water, both panels will eventually be on top of the arch, the mast roller shall be moved to the arch ... the underside of the panels will have clips or track for a shower screen ... davits are also in the plan ... other recent modifications, the mast has just had a few bits added, the baby stays no longer need removal for storage, there is a flip up bracket for a TV antenna on the mast top, an electric winch is on the mast base to help get the mast up and down, lazy jacks have been added, shock cord stays connected to the mast to hold the genoa, ropes and wires while trailering, the mast raising pole has been modified to hold the floppy end of the sail and furler while trailering, quick connectors have been added everywhere I could think of to speed up rigging and de-rigging (is that a real word?) ... when I have time I'll update the website with more pics.
Boblee wrote:Glenn got me buggered how yours weighed in at 1660 with an extra axle under it even empty maybe I had better use another weighbridge.
When I took 'Imagine' to the weighbridge I left the sails and cushions on-board, the only things missing was the spare tire that was in the back of the Rangie, as the trailer didn't have a tire carrier the inspector has happy, the fuel tank was empty, the anchor was at home. After the weigh-in I took 'Imagine" three factory units up the road to be inspected, I had been warned that this particular inspector can be a real piece of male genitalia ... I didn't play around to save weight and found the inspector a really nice guy.

Fair winds
Glenn
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Even though we only have 15hp Suzuki OB but have 4 batteries 2 start (overkill for motor with a rope start) and 2 186 Ah Gel bateries,a rear arch with 6 x 20 watt solar panel on the curved arch,Airhead compost toilet,2 fuel tanks 40litre half full and 25litre empty ,12v fridge,3 anchors TO BE SURE SURE SURE,dodger, 2 biminis,2 x 150 lire water bladders EMPTY and the usual repair, maintenance bits and WITHOUT the personal stuff,food and drinking water,inflatable & outboard.....and went well over 2000kgs on a standard Mac single axle trailer with alloy wheels
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Bartmac
I would say well over, at one stage I weighed what I thought would be close and it came in at 2240kg really considering getting it galvanised (not hard) and getting it rerated to possibly 2500kg even if I have to replace springs again but will certainly be trying to keep the single axle but think with all aussie bits because no matter how hard we try things do break and need to be replaced and sometimes it has to be done in remote areas.
Walked 7k's yesterday and got better than 120 deg bend in knee and climbed a ladder (5 weeks) so soon as harvest is over mid Nov will be on the Murray and then if no one buys the boat will be setting up for at least one more trip North (providing the missus lets me) :D
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Actually purchased 2 axles and 4 backing plates c/w handbrake actuators (have to have handbrake in NSW) and will buy extra bearings etc for on the road repairs but then again I travel with complete toolkit c/w 18v rattlegun,drill,anglegrinder etc which I also take onboard...just in case.Rerating of the trailer looked to be an engineer certificate job...$600-750 but having talked to local tame truck guy...and tells me its a formality...the coupler needs to have 3.5 ton rating stamped/cast in it.....easily purchased and the tyres,rims and axles need to up to the job.He's looked at my bits and sees no problem.Rather than just remove the current springs and replacing them,I'd rather create a cradle c/w 2 cross braces and angle brackets along the current trailer chassis and moveable to allow to slide the axle to the correct position for tow ball weight...haven't checked my current towball weight but think its in excess of the 5-10% which attached to a truck is fine...all tows extremely stable...so much so the occasional wiggle required to keep the overtakers at bay at lane endings passes without a hiccup

A note aside...all this weight stuff is fine but the biggest problem my solicitor (daughter) warns me is insurance...I can afford to lose my Mac and truck but can I afford to lose my other assets because insurance won't pay for the other guys damage because I'm overweight
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Getting it wrong when you choose a tow vehicle and trailer can prove very expensive.

When I bought Oskar on the then standard MacGregor painted steel trailer, I read all the specs and decided that a V6 Kluger should be an adequate tow hack. The Kluger towed the boat easily enough but I got a nasty shock when I put the rig over a weighbridge - with only a modest load of gear for day-sailing around Cockburn Sound the boat + trailer came in at 2.3 tonnes, well over the rating for both the Kluger's towing capacity (2.0 tonnes) and the trailer aggregate load capacity (1.9 tonnes).

I bought 200 series Landcruiser V8 diesel (tow rating 3.5 tonnes) and tried upgrading the trailer to 2.8 tonnes, but the heavy-duty springs, axles, brakes and tyres added several hundred kilos to the weight. It towed fairly well but the stiffer springs gave the boat a very rough ride and the bigger wheels made launching and retrieval difficult. A series of other problems caused me to scrap the 'upgraded' trailer.

I still have the Landcruiser but now tow Oskar on a dual axle aluminium Venture Trailer rated for 3.2 tonnes.

I just got back from a Perth- Lake Argyle trip. Oskar and car were both heavily laden with supplies, tools and spares for a remote area cruise. The Landcruiser towed it all easily and had the reserve power needed for dealing with Kimberley road-trains. The trailer was very stable and gave the boat a really soft ride. However, the OEM "ST" tyres on the new trailer were not up to the job, and had to be replaced in Kununurra, after just over 4000 km (the replacement light truck tyre show hardly any wear after the return trip).

My advice: spend the extra money for a high capacity tow hack and decent trailer in the first place and replace the OEM trailer tyres with decent quality ones before you try any long distance trips.
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Oskar
What did you think of Lake Argyle and did you launch at Wyndham as well?
Think if we upgraded a single axle would also use shockers but our springs at present are rated 2.4t (no shockers but much longer springs) and there doesn't seem to be any problems after probably 30,000 ks on some pretty rough roads but did strip some wheel studs when a wheel came loose which required a new hub (my fault).
We also tow with a little 5t truck which has a pretty stiff suspension but only did about 8000k's with it so far.
Bartmac
So how did the local tame truck bloke suggest going about changing the plate? will ask my local RW place here but somehow think theres a bit more to it than just getting them to change it especially after it's already rated at 1890kg but hope you are right.
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Boblee:
We didn't launch at Wyndham. I became a total wimp after seeing how big the local salties can be. Although Wyndham has a great pontoon launching ramp, the thought of encountering a saltie as big or bigger than Oskar was a bit too much for both me and the crew.

Lake Argyle was a different story. See separate post.
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:D Oscar
Nah never saw any real big ones in the Cambridge Gulf but the little ones are fairly frindly, lots of real big ones in the Vic River which we visited on the way but only put the dinghy in, was one old bloke there at least 6m but when we trolled past, thought he was dead and the mate was going to get out and stand beside him to get an idea of his actual size but when we came back he had moved and was facing a different direction, lucky hey. :o
If the picture works it's a little 3m one that turned up at the mac everytime we did after fishing and it didn't matter what time of night he was always there waiting da dum da dum, nicknamed him mister snappy, obviously someone had been feeding him he would come right up to the motor on the port side so he could see what we were doing but better the one you can see rather than the dozens you can't.
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First up good thread. Definite newby here btw and even first post I think. I am not an owner (yet) but will be buying soon now that the SAP has risen to the appropriate level (spouse approval factor).
But the topic of trailers. . hum . . how do the dealers get away with advertising that the trailers can be registered in any state when it is becoming very obvious that the standard alloy trailer is not road legal in real life. Sure when delivered it may be "legal" as the boat will be stripped to the bones with respect to real life but heck what about fit for purpose? From the preceding thread it is very apparent that the stock trailer rating will be easily exceeded and be pushing in to 2000+kg territory where a) the trailer is underrated and b) break away brakes are required. Cripes, some of the package deals available must surely push the boat over the top and the boat + trailer into illegal territory even on day one / delivery. Someone is riding for a fall here IMO but then not my issue (yet). A USA based thread calls the stock trailer a yard trailer only and at this stage I tend to agree and look forward (not) to considerable upgrades on top the MAC price if not forking out for a new trailer outright to be road legal.
But regardless. Is there any conclusive upgrade to the stock trailer to get it up to say 2500kg rating or is it (as it seems to be) up the whim of the local certifying engineer?
Thanks in advance. ps sorry about the rant.
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Welcome aboard Jim.

Yeah its virtually impossible to keep the boat/trailer to the 1920kgs they rate them for here.....

I got quoted about 4 or 5 grand to get the trailer to a state where "it could be rated to 3 ton if you wanted".

It basically boiled down to ripping the stock axel off and making up a two axel bogie to be bolted on, and then having the electric breaks. I'm sure if you shopped around you could find somwhere that would upgrade it cheaper. I think the stock trailer would be fine once once you did this. After all, there are 1000s of them happily doing thousands of miles on the single axel and not having a problem (well, except for the dodgy tyres they come with).
I do like the aluminum trailer myself as its so low maintanence compared to what I had before.....

I still havn't got around to it myself as I only launch around the corner for the time being, but for peace of mind, I'd deffinately get it sorted if I took it on the road often. My wife would not be too happy if something happened on the road, and we ended up losing everything we own.... There was one story on TSP about a boat coming off a trailer on the highway and apparently, it all had to be weighed as part of the police investigation....

As to taking everything out including anchors fridge, solar panel tool kit etc etc, I just couldnt imaging all that just to go for a day sailing. We are just too lazy for that, and simply wouldnt use the boat if that were the case....

It is a shame Macgregor dont beef up the factory trailer for the outside the US market (well for everyone really...)
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