Quick Overview OP Poll 50; 60; 70; 80; 90

[baldbaby2000]

My motor isn't on the poll. I have a Tohatsu 40HP carburated 2-stroke. I started with the 50HP direct injected but it didn't work right at high altitudes--this is a known problem but apparently the dealer wasn't aware of it. He did pick up the cost of switching to the 40HP and I actually got a refund on the cost difference. The 40HP seems to run fine. It's less weight and cost than a 4-stroke but I wonder if the smoother ride of a 4-stroke would be worth the penalty.

BB

[mtc]

Frank,

You know, after reading your comments, I can see now that my wording was too vague to solicit the overview that was needed.

Oh well, it does look like there's so far more 50's than others with the 70 in second. I'm looking for the largest displacement with the smallest mass hanging off the transom. I was told the Yamaha F60 weighs in at 230 pounds slightly over (30 lbs-ish) than the 50s.

There were a bunch of reads for that poll and so few responses. Is that common on the site?

Just curious.

Michael

[Moe]

Most of the manufacturer's specs are dry, and all are without prop and controls. If the motor is offered in a short (15") length, the spec weight is for that model. The long (20") model will be slightly heavier.

The 50 and 60HP Yamaha High Thrust (T50 and T60) weigh the same, and a bit heavier than the Yamaha small foot (F50 and F60) which are also the same. The 50 and 60HP use the same displacement powerhead, but the horsepower of the former is limited by programming in the electronic control module.

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Moe

[mtc]

Moe,

Are you saying that the 50 is a de-tuned 60? Why would someone want that for the equivalent weight?

Michael

[Frank C]

Frank, You know, after reading your comments, I can see now that my wording was too vague to solicit the overview that was needed. . . . There were a bunch of reads for that poll and so few responses. Is that common on the site?

Right. Ya gotta be careful what you ask for. This poll isn't particularly useful. The 26X would have a much larger share of 50s. Your question needed to cite "26M Engine choice (26M only)."

Reminds me of that adage I heard at Coopers consulting division ...

• Tell em whatcha gonna tell 'em
  Tell 'em
  then Tell 'em whatcha told 'em.

Polls SHOULD garner a small percentage of the total views. I've been to your poll a half-dozen times to catch up on the commentary. Engines are a very popular topic - as you pointed out, they're a big percentage of total cost. IMO, the outboard on a Macgregor is an even bigger percentage of the boat's total service envelope.

[Moe]

Are you saying that the 50 is a de-tuned 60? Why would someone want that for the equivalent weight?

Because it costs about $500 less and for slow going fishing types, perhaps older folks not into speed or running the motor much over 3,000-4,000 rpm, there isn't that much difference in performance at speeds significantly less than wide-open throttle. They may also have a heavy boat with the lower horsepower limit, and want to stick to that but still have the low-rpm torque of the larger displacement.

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Moe

[Moe]

Okay, here's a quick and dirty stab at an Mac 26X/M Outboard Comparison Chart done hurriedly over lunch break. I didn't have time or space to include the 370 lb Mercury Optimax 75/90/115, 373 lb Honda BF75/90, 386 lb Mercury four-stroke 75/90/115, or the 416 lb Suzuki 90/115, but IMHO, these are too heavy anyway, as is the Suzuki DF60/70. YMMV

Let me know if you see any mistakes.

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Moe

[on edit] Added mention of Honda BF75/90

[mark,97x]

one reason for the difference in number of veiws and votes could be that a lot of owners that read the post and saw you where only wanting response's did not vote,,like myself ,,,50 yamaha f/s on a plenty fast for the boss and myself

[baldbaby2000]

You Yours,

This looks like a great sailing package with that 158lbs. You really get the weight out of the stern. Ill bet your boat sails like a dream. Lets hear it for Tohatsu 40 on this one.

I guess I didn't realize there was that big a difference between the carburated Tohatsu and the TLDI; 158 lbs vs 210 lbs! Maybe we accidentally ending up with a good choice. As I said we couldn't use the injected version because of our altitude.

On Moe's chart the Tohatsu TLDI 40/50 as far as lbs/HP doesn't look all that impressive. It goes against my conventional knowledge (apparently not right) that 2-strokes are always much lighter than 4-strokes. It still has the advantage of price.

I'm appending this after looking at the specs again. The weight is for the "minimum" version. My electric start version probably weighs more. I'll have to look in my manual.

BB

[Frank C]

Okay, here's a quick and dirty stab at an Mac 26X/M Outboard Comparison Chart
Moe

Great table, Moe.
Add a date to it & ask Heath to post it under "Featured Articles."

[Moe]

Thanks, Frank... not a bad idea. Let me give it a little time for peer review and mistake finding, and I'll offer it to Heath.

I also wouldn't mind someone who knows HTML better than me taking a look at the source.
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Moe

[Richard O'Brien]

I don't know why the Yammy is rarely discussed on this board, since apparently in the 2-stroke era it was highly regarded. outboard only forums usually like the reliability of the Yamaha. The 70 hp Yammy is identical to the 60 in 2-stroke except for bells and whistles. the 60hp is for commercial use. and does not have automatic 1 to 100 oil mixing. I suspect something similar is the case with the 4-stroke (50-60). It is lighter than the merc, and my 70 swings a 14"-10 pitch prop. The same as my 60 hp bigfoot, but it's lighter, and, although I'm slowly rebuilding it, I confess that I like it more than the Merc. It's lighter, stronger, and narrower. I have not yet had the Merc on the water, but I just like the construction of the Yamaha more. I may change my mind in a few weeks. My old yam has badly scored cylinders because of a former owners idiocy. (disconnected, and bypassed the low oil sensor). Even so It started instantly every time. In a barrel, of course.

[Jeff S]

The chart would do well to show the MSRP of the motors which is always a major purchasing factor.

Jeff

Edit- Moe- great chart!