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Re: Mac trailer sway control

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Crikey wrote:Sometimes (well - most of the time!) I'm accused of having my reach exceed my grasp. With the limitations of fixed retirement income, and the ever present desire to pursue other mods as well, I'm having to extend the lifetime of my little Ford Escape for towing my 2010 :macm: . That being said, I find myself looking into sway control solutions to take away some of the craziness on the highway during truck passing's, and high winds.
Yes, I can hear the chorus - particularly because of some of the excellent reviews here concerning better choices for a tow vehicle - but (and my personal next option would be a Ford 150 4WD) has anyone had any experiences with these various products that they would like to share?
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Crikey,
Put (6) full cases of bottled beer in the V Berth and your problem will be solved. 8)

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Re: Mac trailer sway control

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Would those be six, or twelve packs? A case of scotch doesn't cut it!
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Well after hauling the boat up to east of Quebec City & back approx 2200km @ 72-75mp/h for very white knuckle driving :D :D :D
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I went from my Ford supercab Ranger to a F150 4x4 supercab 4 door 5.4 ltr eng about 9600# towing cappacity she will to the sucker @ 70mp/h - 75mp/h + cruising along in overdrive & that my friend save gas big time :)
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I'm not sure how far you have to tow, but you could just rend those Home Depot rental F250s to do it. They're something like $20/hr. Or a U-Haul.
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mastreb wrote:I'm not sure how far you have to tow, but you could just rend those Home Depot rental F250s to do it. They're something like $20/hr. Or a U-Haul.
That's a consideration I've thought about also, but wouldn't they put any constraints if it was a MacGregor - and not one of their trailers? Or don't they care?
Though I haven't done the actual comparison yet, I think your stateside costs are substantially cheaper than ours (they have to include chains, studs, snowbrushes and scrapers. Toques are complementary). :D
Still - way cheaper than buying!
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Cheep, Cheep , Cheep , !!!! :D :D :D :P watch the Birdie

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PS If yer were too drink the Scotch after the trip instead of before it just maybe yer wouldna be swaying so bad Eh ! Lad :P
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I carry my Scotch on my Bowsprit
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I bet that Sporran covers a multitude of sins! :P

Cheep - yes! But your Scotch sure isn't... :?

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Re: Mac trailer sway control

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Crikey wrote:
mastreb wrote:I'm not sure how far you have to tow, but you could just rend those Home Depot rental F250s to do it. They're something like $20/hr. Or a U-Haul.
That's a consideration I've thought about also, but wouldn't they put any constraints if it was a MacGregor - and not one of their trailers? Or don't they care?
Though I haven't done the actual comparison yet, I think your stateside costs are substantially cheaper than ours (they have to include chains, studs, snowbrushes and scrapers. Toques are complementary). :D
Still - way cheaper than buying!
R :|

Crikey,

U-haul doesn't care what you tow as long as it's within the weight range of their vehicle & hitch, just make sure that your car insurance carrier has you covered + your boat ins. policy also. U-haul F150 2wd is $20.00 per day + mileage + gas. As for Home Depot rentals, I haven't a clue.

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Thanks Frank! Looks like the way to go in the interim. :)
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Re: Mac trailer sway control

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Don T wrote:Here is my solution,
http://www.macgregorsailors.com/modt/index.php?view=325

Good luck
Far out! I'm going to show this to my friend the mechanic that does all the work on my boat. I might need it for my new tow vehicle.
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Didn't need it on my old tow vehicle which gave me a very comfortable 2 fingers on the wheel driving experience over 4 years.
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Hi all! :D

The number of sources of trailer instability seems endless, so when using a marginal tow vehicle, it sure will help to eliminate as many of them as possible. :)

One source not mentioned in this thread that is fairly specific to the Mac is the importance of having the bow eye winched tight, and securely engaged with the rubber V on the trailer. Not doing this is inviting sway.

The aluminum I beams are very flexible and, as I have noted in other threads, the hull of the boat forms part of the structure of the trailer. If they are not suitably fastened to each other the trailer becomes springy which will contribute to trailer sway.

Also of importance is not only the total weight, and the portion of it on the tongue, but also often overlooked is the distribution of the weight fore and aft relative to the wheels.

For example; two 300# weights located 8’ on either side of the trailer wheel centerline (front and back) will give you a more likely scenario for sway than if the same weights were placed 2’ on either side of the trailer wheel centerline.

In both cases, the tongue weight will be measured as being the same- but the moment of inertia is the important factor, not simply the weight. (For those buying snow skiis, this is referred to as the “swing weight” of the ski, and is more significant to performance than the total weight of the ski).

This illustrates the shortcoming of simply using a bathroom scale and calculating 10% on the tongue. It really is just measuring an artifact of the centre of balance of the trailer+ boat. It is indirect, but it is an easy way to do it.

Of course, it would also be important to keep the weight centered, and low, on the longitudinal axis (side to side, or port to starboard) as well.

Whether or not the trailer is level is more a function of the proper hitch being used, than what the actual vehicle is- looks like you have the right hitch receiver offset to keep yours level, Crikey.

Note that as you gain speed on the highway, your tongue weight will somewhat decrease from aerodynamic drag, and will tend to lift the front of the boat.

Also be aware that all of the factors that affect a sailboat in the water, also affect the boat while on the trailer. The location of the daggerboard equals the location of the trailer wheels for the centre of lateral resistance, and center of area of the high-freeboard hull becomes the centre of lateral pressure when the sails are down.

So the weather helm you experience on the water is also experienced in a crosswind as “weathercocking” when the boat is on the trailer. Except that when on the trailer, in order to be stable, the bow needs to be pushed away from the wind instead of into the wind. This to push the rear of the tow vehicle downwind, and steer the front of the vehicle into the wind, which is what you want to happen for stability and safety.

Good luck Crikey – I’m still putting off buying a tow vehicle too. My car is good for short slow trips, but I borrow my sister’s SUV for highway use. It’s a catch 22 if you only have one vehicle – a vehicle that’s good as a tow vehicle, is not as good as a non-tow vehicle when it’s not towing something! So you end up driving a vehicle that’s inappropriate 90% of the time, just so you can use it to tow something the other 10% of the time. Sheesh!

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Thanks Brian, for those good observations! Makes me think (for the present) that increasing the tongue weight loading some more might offset the rearward bias you mention, that is due to the wind resistance, at speed. In the books is also an eventual upgrading to dual axles placed in the right positions. It's curious to me how you can have two diametrically opposed opinions concerned with this upgrade which have been presented in previous threads. Just taking a look at most of the larger trailered boats (like ours) on the highways, sufficiently answers this question for me. I think having two braced in axles would also contribute to less flexure of the rig.
Still, in the end you can't escape wheelbase - or the lack thereof - in the towing unit. I'd like a big rig like Highlanders, but with no other uses in my retirement, as you point out, it's very hard to justify the enormous amount of fuel it's going to consume. It's also termed the 'Admiral Factor'!
I've got a nasty feeling were going to be paying twice as much for our fuel, in the very near future.... :(
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seahouse wrote: Good luck Crikey – I’m still putting off buying a tow vehicle too. My car is good for short slow trips, but I borrow my sister’s SUV for highway use. It’s a catch 22 if you only have one vehicle – a vehicle that’s good as a tow vehicle, is not as good as a non-tow vehicle when it’s not towing something! So you end up driving a vehicle that’s inappropriate 90% of the time, just so you can use it to tow something the other 10% of the time. Sheesh!

- Brian.
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I have to put in a plug for our SUV at this point, because it's been the best all-around vehicle I've ever owned in most respects--including gas mileage. We have a Mercedes GL-350 Bluetech diesel. There are zero "diesel issues" with it: No smoke, no engine rumble (It's throatier than a gas engine but not by much), no delayed start, nothing.

It honestly gets 21MPG towing the Mac, and when we just took it to Vegas from San Diego round trip we AVERAGED 25MPG. It's comfortable without being boaty, it's an excellent (astounding really) off-roader--really like a jeep in its ability to articulate and get over the big rocks and it tows the Mac like there's nothing behind you at all. It has a really good Trailer Stability program that damps sway like you've got a hand from above righting the trailer anytime anything happens. I tow at 65mph but it'll do it at 75 no issues.

Yes, it's expensive, but the same platform is used on the current generation Dodge Durango which can be had for about 2/3rds the price (although not in a diesel I don't think). I'm not going to say the cost is for everyone, but it's definitely cheaper than two vehicles if that's your alternative. I'd also strongly consider a used 2007 GL-450 although the gas mileage is nowhere near as good. Diesels are just a heck of a lot better at MPG when pulling a load.
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