I keep dreaming now of the corsair 36. It is trailerable! and it will sail over two times faster than the M. It is a trimaran! which means NO BALLAST needed! and you slide over the water without the lean the scares the wives!. You can even sail faster than the M or the X under their motor power!
So what if the price is $200,000 just pull out the equity from you house and retire on the trimaran.
Can you say Hawaii in less than 2 weeks. Cruise over 200 miles per day!
As an X owner I am anxious for the day that my X becomes my EX and I upgrade to the 36' Trimaran!
I just wanted to share the dream since it is contageous!
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I don't even work for corsair or get any kickback from them. I just want the rest of you guys to start seeing what your next boat should really be.
No need to upgrade from X to M. I would rather keep my head in the X, (P.S. some of us really do use the sink in the X. you can actually stand up and shower in there too!) Also why does the M block the starboard front window with the head! That window is very important for looking out for other boats when it is rough outside and you are inside with your remote on the autopilot! I hope no M's get hit on the starboard side by a cargo ship!
is a classic and always will be, but take a look at the trimaran!
Have you actually been on one of these yet? I was on one of their boats two weeks ago and was *very* unimpressed. My wife & I were on the Corsair 31UC at the Phila sailing show and found the cabin to be *really* cramped. It was very narrow, and the seating was at a very strange angle - I kept feeling like I was going to slide onto the cabin sole! Plus, if folks are seated on the starborad side, and someone wants to go forward, there is almost no room to do so. The companionway steps are just placed into slots and are easily dislodged ad you enter/exit the boat. Further, you have to be a contortionist to get from the main cabin through to the aft berth.
Now, the way it folds up is pretty neat, yes, and it can be done while underway, too, so that's a plus. But then again, it's only rated for a 9.9hp motor - no dragging the kids on their inflatables with that little pony motor.
Umm... I think I'll keep my Mac 26X... and pocket the $147,000 difference.
The last in-water boat show I did, I was in a slip next to a 30' Tri. It took him 7 weeks to get to Wisconsin by water. The marinas that had room for him charged him for two slips.
I've made it to Key West, by myself in less than 48 hours, with my Mac.
As for "I hope no M's get hit on the starboard side by a cargo ship" yeah I guess I could be in big trouble If a cargo ship hits me and it sinks.
Every boat is a compromise, with advantages and disadvantages. I'll take my Mac.
Did you read the trailering and permits section. Sounds like a real pain, 9'10" wide, permits, flags and wide load banners in every state. $15 or more every time you want to leave the driveway. Limited hours when you can go and only on a pre-planned route.
Empty boat 5,660 lbs, trailer 2,260 lbs, almost 8000 lbs without gear, fuel, water, etc. Ready to cruise at 9,000 lbs, almost 1,000 lbs of tounge weight. Let's see you hook that to the Tauras.
I wouldn't call this boat trailerable, I'd only call it transportable.
Would it be technically feasible to add two horizontal bars across the MacM attached to a sponson on either side of the monohull to effectively create a trimaran like the Magnum 21 as detailed in the webaddress below ?
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32-35 Marconi rig sloop, 9'-12' beam, fin keel, cutaway forefoot, skeg mounted rudder. Good speed on all points of sail. Small enough to be reasonably handled by one person. Large enough to carry passage supplies, and be livable for a family of 2-4. Not likely to be trailered very easily.
Trailerable??? My guess is that the X is about as good as it is going to get. Perhaps some cosmetic and material improvements, but volume and livability will remain about the same.
Russ
I guess reality of today dictates, you only get three pounds, out of a three pound sack.
Duane Dunn, Allegro wrote:* 9'10" wide, permits, flags and wide load banners in every state.
* $15 or more every time you want to leave the driveway.
* Limited hours when you can go and only on a pre-planned route.
* Ready to cruise at 9,000 lbs, almost 1,000 lbs of tounge weight.
* I wouldn't call this boat trailerable, I'd only call it transportable.
Agree w/ DD about trailering that monster. Besides, I've boarded the Corsair at the Oakland Show and felt very constrained in its cabin. By contrast, the Telstar 28's cabin has an open, airy feeling very akin to my X-boat. Add the facts that it's fast under sail, capable of using a 50hp Honda, eminently trailerable, and only one third the cost of a Corsair - the Telstar is definitely my trade-up target @ about $75,000.
and the price is $62,000 - a little too rich for my blood right now. It's still pretty nice. I have also crewed on cat races around Michigan (CRAM) and was thinking at one time that this boat would be a nice cross between the speed I love so much and the cabin room. Maybe this can be my second trailerable (after the Mac).
I've been on both the 31' Corsair and the 36' Corsair on different shows.
The 36 footer is trailerable by permit only. The 31'er trailers just fine. The interior room in the 31 footer is scarily small (narrow), and the 36 footer still seems quite smaller and a lot less comfy than a 26M or X. Sailing wise those boats are supposed to be just great Motion at anchor should be less. Motoring they're slower (unlike the Telstar). Cost wise - well, at 10 times + the price (for the 36 footer), the cost of owning the boat after purchase is probably in relation thereto (i.e. laminated sails cost more than Dacron and last less long)... Mooring should be no more than a 36 foot or 31 foot monohull since the amas fold in - except that you then would have ugly stains on the sides of the amas to really bad growths, as the sides are in the water when the Amas are folded in - and you wouldn't want bottom paint on the sides as those are visible with amas folded out. If money was no objective, but trailerability a must, the 31 foot corsair was my dreamboat for a while - now that would be the Telstar 28, but I yet have to see it in person and judging from the pictures the cockpit needs to get a foot or two longer, adding to the length of the boat (and it would then also look less squatting as at least I seem to think from the pictures) - so I guess the dreamboat would be more like a non existant Telstar 30.
On a relative scale, how much more stable is either the Telstar 28 or the Mac X when hit by a rogue gust of wind?
Iif either boat got knocked down to spreaders-in-the-water, how quickly or easily would the Telstar 28 and the Mac X pop back, relatively speaking?
My guess is like most cats/tris, the Telstar is quite a bit more stable than a Mac or any other monohull up to the point the mast is nearly horizontal. It will take a much larger gust to "put the spreaders in the water", as you say.
However, once it gets to the point the spreaders are in the water, it's probably going over. And like most cats, it's just as stable upside down as right side up.
There's simply no way a cat can be self righting. In the right conditions, you might be able to get it back on its feet by folding the amas, then alternately flooding and pumping them out, but I'm not sure. And of course, the conditions which put the spreaders in the water in the first place are going to make it difficult.
Obviously, if the trimaran goes over (due to wind or a wave capsize), I'm sure it's all over. It would have to be impossible to get one upright again. Hobie's, Nacra's and Prindle cats are hard enough to get back up after going over. With a cat like those mentioned above, you are purposefully flying one hull out of the water while racing so this is more common. You would have to become familiar with its limits and be sure to reef early or at least luff before going over.
Who here has hiked out on their Mac?
It would be neat to have a water-ballasted trimaran, where the outboard hulls could be quickly retracted if the boat goes over so that the boat could self-right like the Mac would. I'm sure you would sacrifice a lot speed for that ballast. You, hopefully, wouldn't ever need to use it, but just a thought.
wayfarer wrote:Obviously, if the trimaran goes over (due to wind or a wave capsize), I'm sure it's all over. It would have to be impossible to get one upright again.
. . . It would be neat to have a water-ballasted trimaran, where the outboard hulls could be quickly retracted if the boat goes over so that the boat could self-right like the Mac would.
Telstar's ama can be quickly retracted. If it were on its side though, the drop would be severe. Even so, if the mast had flotation & sails were free, once the down-side ama was folded, it seems the 3000# hull might want to right itself. The factory doesn't choose to quote a capsize scenario ... maybe that's understandable.
Some feedback on Trimarans: I owned a "foldable" 30' trimaran for 3 years, made by Contour Boats. (out of Toronto). Paul Contouras designed this boat along with several others that have been revolutionary in design, in direct competition with Ferrier, who originally owned and developed the Corsair line. I owned this boat and sailed it single handed on Lk Michigan for those 3 years. Quite an experience. Keep in mind that this boat had a 24' beam, an enormous mainsail, and would basically sail the windspeed, or close to it. It was commonplace to sail 15 kts in an 18-20 Knot wind. My preference was to have at least one additional crew aboard. This boat was "foldable", in that the amas could be retracted to a beam of about 12', plenty narrow to fit into a conventional slip. It was "trailerable" at 8'6'' wide, legal on the interstates.
Like I stated, quite an experience, BUT,
I went back to a monohull for a few reasons:
1) Multihulls sail FLAT: I really missed the motion of the monohull; I mean, it is really different. I found it exhilarating at first, and then I found it actually less appealing because of the "flat" motion. The speed was unimportant without the motion, for me. It was a GREAT light air boat, to its credit, and is probably its single most important redeeming quality for me. Also, as seas approched 4', this boat took a real beating, chiefly because the multihulls skip across the top of the waves, not really displacing them as is true of a monohull. A lot more to handle and more risk of failures in heavier weather.
2) The cabin space is very small, even on a 30 footer. The Telstar is much the same, even smaller than mine. For me it was a big trade off for the lost cabin space of a monohull. The Tri's are not a "family" boat, in my opinion. OK for 2 people. I should point out, however, that they do have significant entertaining space for guests, if that's what you do.
3) These boats have LARGE sail plans and masts. Mine was promoted as a mast that could be stepped without a crane- I tried it- once. That was it. I could ramp launch it but found it beyond my limits to self step.
4) My boat was average under power- had a 30 HP outboard- could do 7-8 Kts. The Telstar was initially being promoted as a high speed motoring boat (15-20 kts). I think they have backed off that a bit, though it is faster than mine was designed to power.
In summary, I bought into a "real" trailerable once again, one that I can sail, trailer, mast step, all single handed, when I bought my Mast 28. And I regained the monohull motion, the flexibility of high speed motoring if I wanted it, and reasonable cabin accommodations. Is it as "good" a sailor, well, no, it is no where near as fast. But, then I prefer the motion to the speed. My Mast (and the Mac) are truely "coastal" cruisers, in my opinion, and so is the trimaran in these OAL ranges. I certainly don't regret having owned the trimaran, having had a great experience with it. Would I recommend buying it? Not sure. Depends on your goals and uses, I guess.
I keep dreaming now of the corsair 36. It is trailerable! and it will sail over two times faster than the M. It is a trimaran! which means NO BALLAST needed! and you slide over the water without the lean the scares the wives!. You can even sail faster than the M or the X under their motor power!
is a classic and always will be, but take a look at the trimaran!
<== Telstar's interior is quite nice. 
