Difference between a V22 and 222

[gedaggett]

So I was given a Venture 22 for free and I am in the process of looking for a new head sail. I went to look up the IJPE measurements and I have no clue if my boat is a 22 or a 222. It is a 1973 and here is a pic. Any help would be great.

Thanks
Gary

[kmclemore]

Not sure, exactly, but perhaps these sites will be of help?

Brochures...

http://www.tompatterson.com/Sailing/Sai ... ing15c.php

http://www.ne-ts.com/mac/bb/76brop4.html

...and the original manual for the V22 boat...

http://macgregor.sailboatowners.com/ima ... f/1361.pdf

[Freedom77]

DING DING DING!! I have the answer. The difference and only difference between a 22 and a 222 is that the 222 has a pop top and the 22 doesn't. There is no difference in performance. I know cause I raced against both and the PHRF rating is the same. You have a poptop 222. Do you have the poptop cover and supports for it? Our 2nd boat Penny Sue Too was a 1971, V-222. Even carried a spinnaker. What is your hull #? There were a lot of option variations on both models but the hulls, keel, and rigging were identical. It was a solid little boat and we used to sail her to Catalina and spend a week on her every year. Measurements are easy. Check with Kelly Hanson or Bluewater yachts for more help. They specialize in Mac/Venture stuff. OH BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU PUT THE TOP DOWN MAKE SURE TO BURP THE CORNER! Traded up to our '76 V-25 Freedom, Launched Jan 1, 1977, which we have maintained for 34 years and is still in great shape. Fair Winds and Full Sails... Old Salt.

[Sumner]

DING DING DING!! I have the answer. The difference and only difference between a 22 and a 222 is that the 222 has a pop top and the 22 doesn't..........Old Salt.

I use to know that and forgot it . How about the following? Looking at the 22's and 222's on SailingTexas some have a window at the front of the cabin and some don't. Also some have a different looking motor well or none as you look at the picture. I think some of those boats must be mis-named and some of the owners don't know for sure which they have when they put them up for sail. It is pretty confusing looking at the pictures.

Thanks for any additional info,

Sum

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[heinzir]

According to my original 1975 price list the forward window was an option ($45) for both the 22' and 25' Ventures. So some have them and some don't. Even the foredeck hatch ($49) was an option for all models.

The brochure for the V222 does not show a motor well; I don't have a brochure for the older V22.

I believe there was also a knock-off of the 22 (Canadian?) sold during that era called the Portager 22.

[heinzir]

The brochure for the V222 does not show a motor well; I don't have a brochure for the older V22.

I found an older brochure (1971) on one of the links on Sumner's web page. It is for a V222 and does show a motor well, whereas my 1975 brochure does not. I suspect the motor wells were part of the original design. They were eliminated when Macgregor "updated" by going to a full hull liner. I know that older Venture Newport 23s (mine included) had carpet lining the raw fiberglass hulls while newer ones had a gel coated liner. I think Roger saved a lot of labor costs in doing this.

[Freedom77]

Ventures are like volkswagens. The forward window and the forward hatch were options. so were the cabin cushions, curtains, dinette table, interior lighting, running lights and just about everything else. ONe of the earlier model 22's had a well recessed into the foredeck about 2 ft square. Never quite figured out what that was for, kiddy pool? but it took up all the interior room in the V-berth. the earlier models had the built in motor recess with room for a 3 gallon tank. We loved ours and spent many hours and weekends cruising the California coast and trailering long distances. Fair Winds and Full Sails...

[chefmike]

I have a 1971 Venture 222 poptop. I don't have the forward window, which is good cause the other two leak enough! I have the motor well as it is. I hate it. The 5.5hp I had couldn't be turned very far either direction plus the gas can took up too much cockpit space. I replaced it with a 40lb Minn Kota and deep cycle battery with a trickle charger-gets me in and out of the slip no problem. I wish my cockpit was set up more like a 25-no motor well, full length seats, and no lazerette. The pop tops on the earlier 222 were much wider than the later ones I have noticed which I do like better. Only problem I had was running my lines aft I had to come down around the sides of the cabin so they are a little awkward but functional. I pulled it from the lake last month and when the Christmas party season is over I plan to rewire some of my rewiring, paint the bottom, and make a poptop cover.

[Freedom77]

Hey ChefMike: I had the same window leak problem. I removed the windows and recaulked with Boat Life. I should have mentioned that I installed a motor mount on the 222. Found that when the gas tank was in the well, couuldn't kick motor up. What is your hull #? Fair Winds and Full Sails...Old Salt.

[chefmike]

My hull number is 77. The previous owner rebed the windows but it had cracked. I removed the frames but could not get the glass out! I cleaned what I could inside and out and caulked as neatly as I could. Held up pretty good but the Texas sun was too much for it, I guess that will just be a yearly task.
My boat came with a kicker motor mount uninstalled. It is a fixed mount, not retractable. I sold the gas motor this summer and used that to buy the Minn Kota! I may put the mount and gas tank on craigslist. I really enjoy the no hassle, no smell electric!
Having owned 7 old VW's I agree with your comparison to the Venture. I got this boat in a trade for a Lido 14 I had. I want my boat to look nice but I have a hard time spending money on it I know I will never get back out of it.

[heinzir]

So I was given a Venture 22 for free and I am in the process of looking for a new head sail. I went to look up the IJPE measurements and I have no clue if my boat is a 22 or a 222. It is a 1973 and here is a pic. Any help would be great.
Thanks
Gary

Because there are so many variations in the Venture line, I would not rely on any published figures to order sails. Use them for estimates but for actual ordering take your own measurements. You will need to have your mast up and will have to get a long tape measure. For new sails, I highly recommend talking to Dirk at National Sail Supply in Florida. He has made many sails for Ventures, including my tanbark ones, and knows that there are differences between individual boats of the same model. Check out his web site for measuring information.

Henry
Chiquita

[gedaggett]

thanks for the info guys,

My Venture is a 1973 with the motor well but has a kicker mount added. I also have full running lights. Where is the hull # located on these boats? I will look for it and post it. As far as head sails go I have a 150 and a full working jib
One is very tired and the other needs some seem work. I am thinking of just sending them to sailcare and getting a quote from them. My guess is I can get a couple seasons out of the sails I have for a lot less till i get my bearings on this boat and decide what to do from there.
Thanks,

Gary

[kmclemore]

Where is the hull # located on these boats?

The hull number on almost all boats is on the upper edge of the starboard transom - indeed, I think this may be by law. On many boats it is also inside somewhere - in the Mac 26X it's inside by edge of the galley seat... not sure on the V series boats.

As to SailCare, I can't say enough good things about them - they did a beautiful job on my sails, and they look virtually like new, complete with new emblems.

[gedaggett]

Where is the hull # located on these boats?

As to SailCare, I can't say enough good things about them - they did a beautiful job on my sails, and they look virtually like new, complete with new emblems.

Everyone I talk to has the same response when the sailcare name is brought up. I have never heard a bad word about them. I am going to send my sails for a quote soon.

[chefmike]

Hull numbers weren't required on the transom by law before 1977 in believe. On my 71 222 the hull number is a series of holes drilled in the wood support beneath the cockpit. Get in the cabin and face aft. Look in the space to your left (boat's starboard) just behind the keel winch, there will be a board running fore and aft and the number will be drilled in there about 6" high numbers.