K/H have two stormsail jibs that could be used on our boats
This one I bought for my I will be keeping it for my now and use it as a SJ or a stay sail !
#1 is SJ 14-19. leach 8' 6", foot 5' 7", luff 11'
This one I bought for my
#2 is SJ 25-29. leach 11', foot 7', luff 14'
I went out sailing yesterday in about 18 knots wind. I had stock main reefed and 100% hank-on jib. With both sails let out I often heeled 30+ degrees. The boat can handle it but it was not a combatable ride and not as much control as I wanted. I think a small storm jib will be a great improvement and will allow more control and more comfortable sailing in winds up to 25 knots. Would you agree?
dxg68 wrote:I think a small storm jib will be a great improvement and will allow more control and more comfortable sailing in winds up to 25 knots. Would you agree?
I don't think anything is comfortable in those kinds of winds.
You could get a roller furling jib and "reef" it. But honestly, I find it terribly unpleasant to be out in howling winds. That's not relaxing which is what I go out on the water for.
RussMT, you are right. But unfortunately people who work can’t always go sailing in perfect weather conditions. And summer in Ohio goes by fast. When I have time to enjoy my boat sometimes there is no wind, sometimes it is nice and sometimes it is windy. For me to actually use my boat I can’t be too picky about the weather. I just thought that a small storm jib should make handling a little easier and I like the simplicity of hank-on jib.
Why, just wondering. I find the deep furled genoa to be a fine "gale force wind " sail. Now, if long passage is intended a proper storm sail might be better. I don't know. When you roll up most of the genoa, you are on the flat leech area. Just what is needed in high wind. Consider that, for me at least, long pasage is not in the plans. I'd rather have easy adjustment to just the right sail area. No sailmaker will agree. One more reason for genoa furlers? For this boat and this boats normal usage; roller furling genoa and crusing spinnaker, no jibs at all. Save all the space you would have stored the extra sails and $$$.
One point in favor of the storm jib, you won't stretch out the genoa. But still use the storm sail money to replace the genoa when needed.
Mike Inmon
The jib heels the boat more than the main. I have no doubt about this through thousands of miles under the Mac hull, oftentimes in reefing conditions. A roller-reefed genoa is OK, not great up to the point where the clew is maybe an inch or two aft of the upper shrouds. Rolling more than that and its efficiency is really bad. The working jib is far superior in heavier air. My Quantum flat-cut jib with luff pad for improved reefed shape holds very good shape, even rolled to storm size.
If you're using a hank-on, a storm jib would be a nice addition to your sail inventory.
Going back to the first sentence of this; I can sail in 20 kts with full main and 1/3 to 1/2 size jib with good balance, going upwind with about 25 deg heel. If I was to double reef the main and use a full jib in these conditions, I would heel more and be slower. We're talking an equal reduction in sail area i.e. about 68 sq ft. but clearly the reduction makes for a more efficient sailplan with bigger main and smaller jib. This is why I reef the jib first, then the main. The jib, inherantly is a much draftier sail than the main. The one exception is with a tripple reefed main (65-70 sq ft sail area) going upwind. She simply won't go upwind without at least half the jib flying, even in 40 ts wind. Keep in mind that my setup is extremely modified for heavy air. Your experience may vary, but I hope this helps.
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delevi wrote:The jib heels the boat more than the main. I have no doubt about this through thousands of miles under the Mac hull, oftentimes in reefing conditions.
Going back to the first sentence of this; I can sail in 20 kts with full main and 1/3 to 1/2 size jib with good balance, going upwind with about 25 deg heel.
Very valuable information for me, I didn’t know that the jib can heel the boat more than main. I had no way to experiment with this. My stock main has one reefing point and if I am not mistaken it is equivalent to second reef point on sails with more than one reef points. And my 100% hank-on stock jib is either all or nothing. The way I use my boat I am very happy with the stock sails. I found out that the stock jib is 130 sq. ft and the storm jib is 36 sq. ft – significantly less. So if the jib heels the boat more, then this big of a reduction in sail area will definitely improve the boat performance in high winds. Thanks!
I sent my main to Sailrite and had a third reef added. I have an old J22 jib from the PO when I purchased the boat. This is my high winds combo. Sailed 2 days in 20-35mph winds, J22 jib, third reef. Boat was very comfortable, less than 15 degrees heel, 5.5 -6.5 mph on the gps all day long. Trimmed it up on one run and hit 7.39mph. The winds were ripping but the boat was flat and comfortable. The wheel was very neutral on all points of sail. Sailed the third day in winds 10-15mph full jib and main. I felt 15mph was about it for comfortable sailing with full sails. Actually had a little more heel than the previous days. Both jibs are hank ons.
36 sq ft jib is a close call. It might just be slightly too small, but I'm not sure. In a perfect world, I would be looking at 45-50 sq ft. high aspect. That would be a luff of about 14-18 feet and a foot of 6-8 feet. Basically, just multiply foot length by luff length and divide by 2. 36sq ft would be OK with full main or 1st reef, but you would likely have a hard time pointing with the stock reef (you're right, it is considered the 2nd reef for anyone with multiple reef points.) Of course, the 36sq ft storm jib can be had for around $200 from KH's sail loft, so that might be a deciding factor. Good luck.
I will be keeping it for my 
now and use it as a SJ or a stay sail !
