Best price on Genoa cars?

[Love MACs]

I've looked until I am blue in the face at Genoa cars. I guess the main problem is I don't know what size track on the 26X so saw some good prices, but don't know it they will fit??? So if anyone know off hand what size the track is I would appreciate a post. Also where did you get your Genoa Cars, best price to fit the Mac?

Allan

[parrothead]

It's 1" track. Try Kelly-Hanson, may not be the best price today, as I haven't looked recently, but they should have them.

[atzserv]

BWY is a great place for finding parts. The new parts list is fantastic and takes alot of guesswork out of getting the correct item. I looked at genoa cars recently and they have the newer type and the stainless they seem to prefer. prices are great!

Gary

[Hardcrab]

If you want to make the job of setting the genny sheets easy, look at what one vendor advertising on this site calls "EZ Cleats".
If you are singlehanding or not, these are better than the standard car and winch set-up, IMHO.
A bullseye to a cam cleat swivel deal, all mounted on a 1" track piece.
You can make genny sheet adjustments sitting at the helm, and no more sheet routing to winches crossing the cockpit.
They can also be had from Garhauer Marine directly (a component part to a traveller system they will sell alone).

The one slight negative is they do not have a spring loaded pin to mate with the locating holes in the track as others do.
Instead, Garhauer uses an Allen set screw to engage the hole, so an Allen wrench is required.
Not a big deal, but car adjustments are a bit harder to do.
I tend to set it and forget it.
Another is when the sheet is really loaded, you have to turn up some to ease the tension to allow for sheet adjustments.
Again, no big deal.

We've had ours for two years now, and have never looked back at the standard method.

A side benefit is these will free up the port winch cam cleat so I can use it to quickly set any headsail furling adjustment on the fly.

[c130king]

Ditto what Hardcrab said about the "EZ Cleats". Mine have a phillips head screw instead of a hex head screw. But I set them and leave them until I take the boat out of the water. I no longer use my winches.

The definitely make single-handing easier.

I think I paid $99 but I can't remember for sure.

Good Luck,
Jim

[atzserv]

Bill at boats4sail sells the cam cleat your mentioning and has beefed them up. My set are the standard set and if enough wind they can bend a little. I still use them but would buy the beefed up set if more are needed. I still route the genoa sheets through the cars so I can control the angle of the sheet fore and aft when I get better at sailing trim.
This way the cam cleats are as far adft as possible and never get moved. I have the allen screw type also.

Gary

[c130king]

Mine are from Bill. I think maybe mine are newer models. They have phillips head and they seem pretty beefy to me. I think the boat would roll over or round up or the Genoa track would rip off the coaming before these EZ-Cleats would bend.

I have no problem yanking my 150% Genoa as required. Don't need the winches. If as tight as I can pull it is not tight enough then it is tight enough...did that make sense? It sounded better in my head.

Jim

[Ivan Awfulitch]

Our first year out we replaced the cars and now use a swivel cam-cleat. We sail Western Lake Erie and have no problems controlling the Genny with these. Got them from Kelly Hanson, about $100/pair.
http://www.kellyhansonmarine.com/apps/w ... how/116688

[Bill at BOATS 4 SAIL]

Mine are from Bill. I think maybe mine are newer models. They have phillips head and they seem pretty beefy to me. I think the boat would roll over or round up or the Genoa track would rip off the coaming before these EZ-Cleats would bend.

I have no problem yanking my 150% Genoa as required. Don't need the winches. If as tight as I can pull it is not tight enough then it is tight enough...

"If as tight as I can pull it is not tight enough then it is tight enough"
I couldn't have said it better.

My EZ Cleats start out the same as the ones below. I modify them so they don't swivel, make them stronger, attach them differently. $100 + $10 S & H
- Bill

Our first year out we replaced the cars and now use a swivel cam-cleat. We sail Western Lake Erie and have no problems controlling the Genny with these. Got them from Kelly Hanson, about $100/pair.
http://www.kellyhansonmarine.com/apps/w ... how/116688

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[Love MACs]

Now I am getting confused about what I have and what I need. The two cars I have are mounted on the track on the cabin roof so I thought they were jib cars. But after looking on the web at several Genoa cars at different retailers I find some that look almost like the ones I have:?: The ones I have do not swivel but rather move from side to side, as the one pictured here. This is a pic from Defender who sells these as Genoa cars and mine look almost exactly like these:



So what have I got and what do I need. I apologize for my ignorance

Allan

[Highlander]

If your genny sheets are running back to aft mounted winches which mine will be later on this spring when I get them installed their fine. But if your genny sheets are going forward from your genny cars up to your original winches then you want the spring mounted blocks on genny tracks like the original ones that come with the boat

J

[Hamin' X]

A jib car is the same as a genoa car, except they are mounted on different tracks. The jib is designed to be sheeted inside the shrouds and the genny needs to be sheeted outside the shrouds. The ones that are being discussed here have the addition of a cam cleat aft of the block.

~Rich

[Highlander]

Nope these are Bullseyes with cam cleats attached to cars !

Also on some boats the genny cars have bigger pullies on the blocks
Also if the genny is flown off a bowsprit it might be possible to sheet inside the shrouds
J

[Hamin' X]

Nope these are Bullseyes with cam cleats attached to cars !

Also on some boats the genny cars have bigger pullies on the blocks
Also if the genny is flown off a bowsprit it might be possible to sheet inside the shrouds
J

Yep, they they should be behind a block, also on a car. That way, the block car can be adjusted, while the cam-cleat remains at the aft position on the track. That way the genny can be trimmed from the helm, without the use of a winch.

I think that we are talking about "Almost Standard Macs", which yours has gone a wee bit beyond, J.



~Rich

[Hardcrab]

Love Macs,
I don't think your exact question has been answered yet, so I'll stab at it.
The car in your picture is almost like the factory jib cars I have. For the roof tracks.
Factory genny cars are much less restricted in their movement, the block is "spring" loaded. (The tall one in Hamin'X's picture).
Your jib car will work as a genny car, but the limited swiveling will not allow the different angles the genny sheet needs to take to get from the sail to the block, then out and forward to the winch.
Hence the extra articulation is needed.
If you don't get a "real" genny car, no big deal. The sheet will just not track perfectly into and out of the block causing perhaps a little more wear.
If you still want to get a "genny" car, IMHO, and as others have opined above, get the EZCleat style (the smaller one in Hamin'x picture) and kill many birds with one stone.
About twice the price as factory genny cars, but more than worth it.