Poor mans impact wrench

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Poor mans impact wrench

Post by Kelly Hanson East »

Had to replace the tires (1976 tires/wheels) on my Hobie trailer and the wheel bolts were really bad. I had trailered this from Buffalo to Boston and back to Albany on these old tires, praying the whole way.

Parked it and swore I wouldnt drive it another inch until I replaced.

The bolts were so rusty, the next size down socket fit them nicely...I wirebrushed the h*** out of them, and soaked them for three days in Liquid Wrench and tapped them hard to get some action of the penetrant into the threads.

Closeup of the deed...checkout the dry rot on the 33 year old tires (which just spun for 600 miles)

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Then I assembled the tools...

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..and the successful technique

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When done, the wheels and tires went into the garbage. New rims/tires in this size are <30 USD, so there isnt much point in mounting/demounting tires and rims.
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Been there done that (with my Hobie 14, I hope you didn't miss with the hammer, the safety boots don't look up to spec, I'm glad to have a rattle gun that works from my tow vehicle air line.

I broke a few studs, new ones were needed anyway due to rust.

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Safety Crocs indeed... :D :D

i replaced all the studs and nuts with new ones after this incident.
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Re: Poor mans impact wrench

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I was taught to spray down the wheels and lug nuts, every time, with WD40 after the fresh water rinse after a salt water dunk.
After three years of dunking in the Pacific, (60 trips/120 dunkings) all of the lug nuts just have a light surface rust and come off like they should with zero problems. The threads under the nuts are 99% rust free.
That seemed to work so well that I now include the springs and shackles and the entire trailer gets "spray painted" with WD40 once a month.
I'll "paint" it on a Friday as it sits empty to "dry" until I retrieve the boat on Sunday.
It doesn't entirely stop the rust, but it sure slows it down.
(Just don't rub a pants leg up against it.)

I'll do the same thing if/when I get the new alum Mac replacement trailer in the future.

Gallon for $15 at Home Despot with a $2 pump bottle.
Cheap when compared to a new trailer.

I notice at lot of salt water people not doing a fresh water rinse after they launch and park, but only after they retrieve to tow back home.
It's like the first salt water dunking of the day just doesn't count.
The time spent with salt on the steel trailer, even if it's just for a day, can add up and speed the downhill process.
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When I come back from the Cape, and salt water trip, right off my home exit is the boat ramp for a nice fresh water dunk into the Hudson. I also spray her off in the driveway

Alas, at my launch ramp, I dont have a fresh rinse, so I do have to let the trailer sit in salt for a week.
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The Mutt wrote:Image
steel cap thongs...... good one Mutt

What a great idea... Workplace safety is under control and you are almost dressed for a night out :D :D :D

(before anyone says it.... thongs are foot feet not bottoms!!) 8)
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David, from memory what we call thongs the Americans call Flip Flops.

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We used to call em thongs too, back when I was 10 yrs old, but then the confusion started. :wink:
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The Mutt wrote:David, from memory what we call thongs the Americans call Flip Flops.

Glenn
In french Canada flip flops are called Gougounnes
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The Mutt wrote:David, from memory what we call thongs the Americans call Flip Flops.

Glenn
And in Brazil they call 'em Havaiianas - that's a brand name, yeah - like calling an MP3 player an "IPod".

The OTHER "thongs" get called "Fio Dental". :wink:
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To remove rusted bolts you can also heat with a torch first which really helps a lot. Use long pipe on wrench to get strong leverage and apply gentle steady force so not to round off nut (also use six sided socket)or break stud. Saw my dad(car mechanic) do this sucessfully often on rusted bolts.
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vertex2100 wrote:To remove rusted bolts you can also heat with a torch first which really helps a lot. Use long pipe on wrench to get strong leverage and apply gentle steady force so not to round off nut (also use six sided socket)or break stud. Saw my dad(car mechanic) do this sucessfully often on rusted bolts.
Both of these can work, but a couple of caveats from another old mechanic (me!)...

If you need to use a torch to remove a nut, you *must* replace both the nut and the stud/bolt, since both have been distempered by the heat and will have a much higher chance of subsequent failure in service. This is particularly true of wheel studs, where failure can result in a very scary and dangerous situation.

As to the pipe-on-the-wrench trick or Stephen's trick of hitting the breaker bar, both of these can work... but please folks - wear eye protection, as should anyone neven remotely close by. I have seen more than one wrench or socket snap when doing this, and the bits will go flying like bullets... particularly when using cheaper wrenches or sockets where the tempering/hardening is not as good as on top quality tools.

Also, when it does snap, you'll find yourself going flying as well, so make sure you're not headed for something nasty when you set up for your pull.

Oh, and finally - when you're wrenching hard on something really tight, *always* pull, never push... the latter is far too dangerous in terms of your balance and where your hands will end up (undoubtedly something hard and sharp!).
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Re: Poor mans impact wrench

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Hardcrab wrote:I was taught to spray down the wheels and lug nuts, every time, with WD40 after the fresh water rinse after a salt water dunk.
After three years of dunking in the Pacific, (60 trips/120 dunkings) all of the lug nuts just have a light surface rust and come off like they should with zero problems. The threads under the nuts are 99% rust free.
That seemed to work so well that I now include the springs and shackles and the entire trailer gets "spray painted" with WD40 once a month.

I'll do the same thing if/when I get the new alum Mac replacement trailer in the future.

Gallon for $15 at Home Despot with a $2 pump bottle.
Cheap when compared to a new trailer.
Hardcrab:
Good idea no doubt. But, I asked an old farmer what was the shiney stuff on his "open field" exposed farm equipment. HE uses kerosene. (cheaper, and a little more industrial life than WD-40--possibly). Ive used his Kerosene idea, on the trailer, and lugs back when I trailered my Mac X. I sprayed with a small "pump bottle" you've described also...works great.

My brothers, Petroleum Engineers, advised me to avoid the kerosene on rubber tires...it's bad.

Just wanted to throw in another idea for you guys.
As you explained, if the trailer is exposed to the weather...spraying monthly is necessary.
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Re: Poor mans impact wrench

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......distempered .....

I can get a shot for that........right?

I thought that was when I didnt get mad............



dang, I need more work.............
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