forstay clevis pin

[1st Sail]

Refering to page 15 of the M manual. The image (upper right hand corner, "Jib, forward lower corner") does not match the anchor roller and forestay pin postion on my '06 M. Tomorrow I plan to rig sails for the first time. What type of pin do you recommend for attaching the forestay to the anchor roller bracket. It appears a small clevis pin with ring ding was used by the PO.

[pokerrick1]

It appears a small clevis pin with ring ding was used by the PO.

That's what came stock on my 2006 M.

Rick

[c130king]

that picture does not match my either. I have the anchor roller mechaism with two holes on either side of the "channel" of the anchor roller. And the pin that came with my boat is a straight pin with a small tab that flips from flat/flush to perpindicular with the pin to keep it from backing out. And that pin has a saftey wire to keep it attached to the boat in case you drop it...but we all know that never happens

The furler is connected to one side or the other...I always use the same side but can't remember which one...can easily tell due to the wear marks on the anchor roller. But I don't think it really matters.

I searched my photo log and I don't seem to have a good pic of that.

Definitely make sure you have a good strong pin and it is well secured...wouldn't want that to come undone while sailing.

Good Luck,
Jim

[1st Sail]

It appears the forestay mount or connection point has changed between years. My '06 M has Coupler safety pin connected to a short stainless cable.
reference West marine:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/st ... assNum=643

I'm not convinced this is totally safe. There is a considerable amount of load on the pin when the turnbuckle is attached to the anchor roller which would prevent the pin from shifting. However, the pin is 2in. from the head to the spring clip and could move freely if the forestay load was momentarily reduced due to the motion of the boat and its motion effect on the mast. My '06 anchor roller has three mounting holes in the plate. One each directly above the anchor roller shaft and one on a separate flange on the port side of the roller plate assembly.

Would you replace the coupler safety pin with a bolt and lock nut, clevis pin and ringding or something else?

We plan to raise sails this Fri. first time!

[Hardcrab]

Are you guys saying that the forestay is pinned to the anchor roller?

My 05 has a separate "chain plate" like piece of SS bolted to the very point of the bow extending several inches below the rub rail, well centered, and extending 3'" or so above the rub rail, bent slightly aft, with two holes in the top of it for the forestay to attach with a standard clevis pin and ring ding.

Meanwhile, my anchor roller is very biased toward the starboard side.

Not much difference on choosing either hole for rigging on mine - about 3/4" between horizonal centers.
One hole is for the forestay the other for a hanked on jib.

Those two holes in the anchor roller are for placing the pin (as shown on W.M. site) after setting the anchor so the rode won't find a way to fall out of the roller, or so I thought.

I'd be wary of using the anchor roller I have to get the correct forestay tension , if that is what you are talking about.
I can't think mine is fastened with that direction of pull/load intended, unlike my "chain plate" fixture.
I'm gonna look at the next 06 I see at the mast up lot.

[Highlander]

I dont think you should be using the Anchor roller for the furler unless you have a backing plate attached underneath it or some other type of support say a bobstay from the Boweye

J

[1st Sail]

Hardcrab,

My error. I was reading the M manual and working from recall. My M in fact has a separate chain plate for the forestay which is centered on the bow. The anchor roller is offset to the starboard side. That said, would you rely on the factory coupler pin, a clevis pin with ring ding or something safer? The upper and lower shroud adjusters connect to the chain stays using clevis pins so perhaps I'm being over cautious.

I spent 3yrs reading the comments on this board. Your contributions have certainly improved the quality of Mac sailing and most important the overall safety of the experience.

Thanks,

Dave

[Andy26M]

My 2004 M has a clevis pin with ring ding, which I have used without incident since it was new.

- Andy

[Hardcrab]

Ditto the clevis pin and ring ding for the forestay.
The "factory coupler pin" you describe is for the anchor roller, as I recall, although I've never used it as yet.
Thanks for the kind words.

[c130king]

Are you guys saying that the forestay is pinned to the anchor roller?

My 05 has a separate "chain plate" like piece of SS bolted to the very point of the bow extending several inches below the rub rail, well centered, and extending 3'" or so above the rub rail, bent slightly aft, with two holes in the top of it for the forestay to attach with a standard clevis pin and ring ding.

Meanwhile, my anchor roller is very biased toward the starboard side.

Not much difference on choosing either hole for rigging on mine - about 3/4" between horizonal centers.
One hole is for the forestay the other for a hanked on jib.

Those two holes in the anchor roller are for placing the pin (as shown on W.M. site) after setting the anchor so the rode won't find a way to fall out of the roller, or so I thought.

I'd be wary of using the anchor roller I have to get the correct forestay tension , if that is what you are talking about.
I can't think mine is fastened with that direction of pull/load intended, unlike my "chain plate" fixture.
I'm gonna look at the next 06 I see at the mast up lot.

Hardcrab,

Now you got me worried that I am doing this wrong on my '05 . Are you (or anyone else with an '05) able to post a pic of where your forestay attaches? What I have is nothing like the manual...which I think is maybe for an earlier version of the .

Thanks,
Jim

[Captain Jim]

Jim,

Our 2006, also has a separate chain plate for connecting the forstay clevis pin.

Fair winds,

Jim
S/V BOLD VENTURE

[WHRoeder]

It appears the forestay mount or connection point has changed between years. My '06 M has Coupler safety pin connected to a short stainless cable.
reference West marine:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/st ... assNum=643

I'm not convinced this is totally safe.

Those quick pins Will pull out. You MUST use a clevis pin and ring ding. The only thing that kept my mast up was the furling line.

[40Toes]

It appears the forestay mount or connection point has changed between years. My '06 M has Coupler safety pin connected to a short stainless cable.
reference West marine:
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/st ... assNum=643

I'm not convinced this is totally safe

I use something similar to pin the rudders up while on the trailer – works greats and quick to remove.

[Terry]

I agree, those quick pins are an accident waiting to happen. I have also noticed that some people use an extra shackle connected to the clevis pin and they connect that to the foretang, this simply extends the length of the foretay by a half inch and perhaps makes the connection easier but I don't do it. I once found someone using a cheap halyard shackle instead of a good strong SS one so I gave them one of my SS spare shackles to prevent them from having a mast failure. I couldn't believe someone would use a weak aluminum halyard shackle to hold the forestay in place but they did.

I had to upgrade my forestay to install a Shaefer Snapfurler which called for a 5/32 forestay (oem is 1/8), when I took my oem forestay in to the rig shop to have a thicker one made the rigger suggested I also upgrade the turnbuckle from the oem 1/4 to the next size up 5/16. So now I have a spare forestay of 1/8 with a 1/4 turnbuckle. The new 5/32 forestay and 5/16 turnbuckle came with a thicker heavier cleavis pin which I questioned would fit my current foretang hole. Well it just fit, very snug, no wiggle room so it has to be lined up accurately to get the clevis pin through. I now like it this way because the clevis pin does not wiggle around and make the hole wear bigger but rather, stays in place and holds more securely. I am not entirely sure the oem clevis pin is a proper fit now even though it worked for me for 5 years. I kind of like the snugger fit of the larger clevis pin, gives me peace of mind.

[Hardcrab]

c130,
On this site, go up to the resources tab, manuals, 2003 M, scroll down to page 11 upper left and/or page 15 upper right.

Both pictures show the exact same set-up as my 05, but (strangly?) without an anchor roller installed.
(I have a CDI furler that this picture dosen't show, it shows only the forestay and hank on jenny).

A somewhat poor picture, but it shows the forestay "chain plate" sticking above the deck, and you can just make it out
as it extends below the rub rail then out of the field of view. The text further describes the whole deal.

I'm sure it must be the same with your boat, and my attempt at a description further up this post leaves something to be desired.

Maybe you have proved that the anchor roller will hold the stress of the rigging if you have been pinning it there,
but I would'nt try it that way on my boat unless I needed a quick and dirty jury rig one day.
In that light, thanks for the tip?!?