Hunters Version of the Mac26

[Paul S]

Just saw the edge at the Newport show. Here are some of my observations

Not as ugly in person as the photos show. Still not the prettiest boat...but with a little lipstick (LOL)
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No doubt it will play nice with the Macs, it is nice that they solidly confirm Macgregor's design model. This sailor will pass, but it is a nice boat overall.

Hi paul,

Did you have a chance to see the bottom? Is the 27 Edge flatter than your M? On the look of the vessel, she is striking in the bow and main sail. The similarity to the Ocean 70s is there. This is the way future sailboats will look, if you think the future hasn't already arrived. Good comment on confirmation of Macgregor's design model. If the US is to gain anything in terms of competitive sailing outside of its own territory, it will need to train on vessels like these power sailers.

Frank Mighetto
1999 Mac26x
member US Sailing

I totally forgot to bring my SCUBA or snorkling gear, so I didnt get a chance to see the bottom It was an in water show

[DAVEWVU86]

Just saw the edge at the Newport show. Here are some of my observations....
I totally forgot to bring my SCUBA or snorkling gear, so I didnt get a chance to see the bottom It was an in water show

hahahaha nice one

[Boblee]

Can't believe this topic is still holding water or at least the boat is still being compared favourably with Macs, from almost every aspect these boats are in a different class to the Mac and have missed out on capturing the basic concept.
Besides the fact they are double the price, they are ugly in comparison??? the internal layout is ugly also (personal).
They are heavier and so they require a bigger tow vehicle etc etc the fact that they are better built and possibly sail or motor better?? in no way overides the myriad of advantages of purchasing a Mac which caters for a far wider list of users.
These boats would have to be double the price and in the price range of a real blue water sailboat and for that matter a good second hand ocean going one.
There still is no boat on the market that can go near the flexibility of choice of the Mac blisters and all.
Would rather buy two Macs each one set up or biased for different uses eg powering or sailing but still able to do either.

[Love MACs]

I second that emotion (I'd sing that but you all would probably ban me from the site)...



Allan

[Québec 1]

I second that emotion (I'd sing that but you all would probably ban me from the site)...



Allan

Go ahead and sing , but maintenant you may only sing in the back room ...and I never go there so I and most of us sailors will not hear u. and will still like u


p.s. I think it is time a moderator split this post and put part of it in the front room where it belongs....singing and all that ..
Q1

[Paul S]

Can't believe this topic is still holding water or at least the boat is still being compared favourably with Macs, from almost every aspect these boats are in a different class to the Mac and have missed out on capturing the basic concept.
Besides the fact they are double the price, they are ugly in comparison??? the internal layout is ugly also (personal).
They are heavier and so they require a bigger tow vehicle etc etc the fact that they are better built and possibly sail or motor better?? in no way overides the myriad of advantages of purchasing a Mac which caters for a far wider list of users.
These boats would have to be double the price and in the price range of a real blue water sailboat and for that matter a good second hand ocean going one.
There still is no boat on the market that can go near the flexibility of choice of the Mac blisters and all.
Would rather buy two Macs each one set up or biased for different uses eg powering or sailing but still able to do either.

Right. I mentioned all the above at least twice on page 7.

There are a LOT of good things they got right, and the boat is probably a better 'value' than the mac (equipment/quality/fit/finish/engineering) but fails in a couple area (weight, beam, layout, cosmetics, price) that are key to owners on this board.

The mac is still the best boat for us and the people on this board.. kinda like preaching to the converted.

After seeing it in person, crawling all around it for an hour or so.. I am very impressed overall with the edge.

[mikelinmon]

Ocean 70 chines. Well, they are there for a reason but that reason does not apply to any powersailor. How do I know that? Guesswork, no. The first powersailor (MacGregor 19) had chines and it was slightly faster under power than our X or M which would make it much faster than the Edge copycat. But, the chines require more power to move in the speed range of a sailboat. Look for chines on sailboats. See any on a performance boat? Some succesfull 70's have them now, but no others designed since the Lightning. The chines of some of the 70's are in the bow to redirect the walls of spray and in the stern to support planning (just like a motorboat) One even has a flat "ramp" from cutwater to the front edge of the keel, this to lift the bow and resist the sailforces way up high from pushing the bow underwater. They cause extra drag but are worth it for some overpowered boats in the 30mph range. All of MacGregors designs since the 19 have no chines. The M has reduced the firm bilges in favor of more rounded bilges. Personally, I'm glad that the 1st generation MacGregor 19 powersailor was copied, not the third generation MacGregor 26. The polish copy/splash of the X was a better copy than the Edge was of a M19. So for chines, once we get the sailing speed up to about 30mph, we are going to need chines real bad. Can you spell "pitchpole". I do want to try one thing similar to chines. How about making the edge of the Mac's transom sharp! Some powerboats have gone to extra effort to put an edge on their transoms. Anyone willing to put some white bondo on their transom and file it nice and straight? This would be an extra you could do for your boat that the factory could not do in production, we need the rounded edge to get it out of the mold as the sharp edge will split.
MIke INmon

[AWKIII]

Mike Inmon said:

"Look for chines on sailboats. See any on a performance boat? Some succesfull 70's have them now, but no others designed since the Lightning."

Mike.

I disagree with your statement. There have been several sailboats with chines (both hard and soft) to come along since the Lightning.

The brand new Flying Tiger 7.5 designed by Robert Perry is a perfect example.

If you said you didn't see them on cruising boats anymore I would agree. But the trend to use them on performance boats is increasing...not decreasing.

[Night Sailor]

Finally got a good look at an Edge. My impression is that:
1 they really weren't trying to duplicate a Mac, but appeal to a little higher economic level market of beginning sailors. Hunter certainly has the skills and design team, but apparently marketing people with wall street or banker mentalities drive them more than common sense would allow (notice how for the last several years as the economy was tanking, and larger yachts were hitting the auction blocks, they kept on lauching larger, more expensive new models only the more wealthy can afford?)
2 since they built a heavier boat with many amenties, for only a little extra effort Hunter could have gone with an outdrive instead of the outboard, put in better hatches and ports, and come up with a nice blue water boat to compare with the European models of that size.
3 I like my '98 X and will stick with it because it still fits my needs perfectly. Now my wants ... are another story!

[mikelinmon]

The Tiger is a kool boat. I want one! Chines are only for making the boat fit inside a box! It is made in China! The chines will slow it down, but they do allow it to be wider at the WL and not increase the boxed width. If I had the $$, no better race boat for the $$. As I said before, under 30mph, no chines. Keep looking for the modern boat. There are some daysailors, but again a better daysailor will not have them. Most famous racer of them all was all chine, The Star (love that one). But just try to compare it to Melges 24. I want one of those also.
Mike Inmon