Roger's new head sail furler " Any Pics" !

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:08 am

I was looking in the mac factory site for pic's of the new mac headsail furler but nothing there ! Anyone got any pic's to post ?

J.

mikelinmon · Post by **mikelinmon** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:27 am

No pic's yet, but the furler is much smoother than CDI. Sail will go up and down with no friction. Spinning around with smooth turns and very straight plastic foil. A newer material is used for the foil, shiny, smooth and straight. It is a good improvement. Some folks might prefer a furler with swivel at top and bottom in hopes of reefable genoa. The improvement in luff shape is minimal and penalty of many more parts to add friction and rigging complexity is not worth it!change in luff shape. After reefing about half of the genny, a nice flat shape is yours. No reefer will reef the first part of a genny very well, just give up on a good reef for slight reefing and go for a deep reef.

bscott · Post by **bscott** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:55 am

Mike, is the halyard internal like the CDI or is it external? How does it function without a top swivel?

tangentair · Post by **tangentair** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:38 am

And when is it available?

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:31 am

BScott

The CDI does not have a top swivel either "not required"

John

mikelinmon · Post by **mikelinmon** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:52 pm

bscott wrote:Mike, is the halyard internal like the CDI or is it external? How does it function without a top swivel?

Sorry for late reply. The halyard is internal similar to older styles of furler.. The furlers are now being delivered by MacGregor on the 08 boats.

Mike Inmon

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:47 pm

Guess I should find out very soon !

J

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:11 am

mikelinmon wrote: Sorry for late reply. The halyard is internal similar to older styles of furler.. The furlers are now being delivered by MacGregor on the 08 boats.

Mike Inmon

So Mike, does this mean that Rogers' new furler suffers the same setbacks as the CDI? By setbacks I mean the lack of tension on the luff and inability to easily switch headsails.
I am researching the Schaefer Snapfurl CF-700 and found a local supplier for $714.00, albeit that is likely more than Rogers' but the Snapfurl uses the existing halyard and can tension the luff significantly, but more importantly one can easily drop the jib, bag it and then hoist the genoa similarly to hank-on system. Since sails can be removed so readily on the Snapfurl one does not need to have a UV strip sewn on to leave the sail on the furler, just remove the sail and bag it. Next time out choose which headsail to use depending on conditions. I like the extra flexibility of the snapfurl and am willing to pay up to a certain amount premium. Is the Roger version that much less cost and does it allow easy changing of sails?

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:38 am

Terry - I think you could kill both those issues (luff tension, switching sails) with a second forestay mod

-Cheaper
-allows double foresail plan
-provides redundancy holding up mast...

rather than a more expensive furler option

bscott · Post by **bscott** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:45 am

Terry, I'm about to place an order for the Snapfurl 700 for all the reasons you described. BTW, the jib halyard provides redundancy for the forestay.

Where did you find the great price?

Bob

delevi · Post by **delevi** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:17 am

I think the SF700 is the way to go, for the reasons stated. I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on a genoa, and would strongly consider the SF 700 to have the ability to change between jib & genny. I still think that getting uv protection is a good idea, just to save some time, not having to take the sail down every time. I'm not too enthused about dual forestays. Just think it's probably more trouble than it's worth, with additional lines to deal with, more hassle with rig/derig and carrying the weight of and extra sail/furler on that second forestay i.e. additional windage and weight aloft.. not a good thing on a windy day.

Question for those of you who researched the sf700. What's the deal with sanpping it on your forestay? Is it a two piece luff that snaps in place? If so, I'm a bit concerned about its overall strenght vs a one piece desing. Not sure what the benefit would be, since sliding the forestay cable into the furling luff is a one-time deal. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Cheers,
Leon

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:24 am

Where did you find the great price?

From Dave Anderson:

"Thank you for your interest in Schaefer products.

Yes, the CF-700 requires #6 luff tape. I see no problems. Usually, one sails with a 135% jib. Make sure the sail does not have a stiff headboard as the sail will furl better. The tack should have a web loop rather than a heavy grommet.

Trotac has them in stock. Their information is:

Trotac Marine
85 Dallas Road
Victoria, BC, V8V 1A1 Canada
Tel: 250-386-2341 Fax: 250-386-3574
E-mail: sales@trotacmarine.com

Regards,
Dave Anderson
of Schaefer Marine
www.schaefermarine.com
www.tuffluff.com
www.boomfurl.com
www.furling.com

I phoned and got a price quote then had the lady double check her quote because it was too far off from others I found on the internet and she got back and said yes $714.00 is the price and she could ship across the strait to me for about $15.00, I will likely buy it now that I have the Admirals aproval.

Catigale wrote:

Terry - I think you could kill both those issues (luff tension, switching sails) with a second forestay mod

Stephen,
The object is to make it easier for singlehanded sailing so that I can easily douse the headsail. I tried a mickey mouse downhaul system but it never worked right, always jammed tight and would not pull the sail completely down and even if it did I still have that sail all over the foredeck to pick up. I don't want to leave the cockpit when out alone and the Admiral won't let me go out alone if she suspects I will go foreward with my bum leg.

Terry · Post by **Terry** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:49 am

Question for those of you who researched the sf700. What's the deal with sanpping it on your forestay? Is it a two piece luff that snaps in place? If so, I'm a bit concerned about its overall strenght vs a one piece desing. Not sure what the benefit would be, since sliding the forestay cable into the furling luff is a one-time deal. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

Leon,
To get more technical info do a google on Schaefer Snapfurl CF-700 or smaller pieces of the bolded phrase and you will find some good descriptions of the unit and how it fits/works, this would give you better insight than I can provide.
As for customer reviews I found some good info here:
http://www.trailersailor.com/
Do A search on Snapfurl or CF-700 or Schaefer to get more results as not everyone puts the whole name in their thread. I read some good feedback on the Snapfurl system, nothing negative.

Catigale · Post by **Catigale** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:42 am

I will likely buy it now that I have the Admirals aproval.

What a weanie!! I rule the roost in my......

(post deleted by Admiral Boyle)

Highlander · Post by **Highlander** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:31 pm

Yeah right cats

I've heard that before

Now me thats a different matter I DO RULE THE ROOST

, and I'll prove it very shortly

John

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Roger's new head sail furler " Any Pics" !

Roger's new head sail furler " Any Pics" !