Just got back from replacing cb rope on my 2002x with dealer Mike Inmon, who told me the new ms will have a port galley that slides out of way in aft berth, and a dinette starboard. The midget bathroom will stay the same. We'll see...
Rolf
new m interior more like x
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Frank C
Do tell ...! Guess the factory is looking to recreate some X-elements after all? One of the early Macs, maybe even before the Mac 25 (?) had a galley that stowed under the portside cockpit, but I don't think it had a dinette. I wonder how a sliding galley and dinette might impair access to that giant under-berth? (Very few things are ever, truly new).
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Tom Root
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Frank, the Mac 25 did have a sliding galley, and dinnette! Nice option actually. The 26' Classics "C" & "D" models were sans the dinnette! The Venture 25 sitting in my backyard has the fixed galley, and dinette. Actually quite nice....we may even keep that boat forever, as it is versatile also, and with a pop-top and it's cover, gives standing capabilities down below! I've always left it in the~UP position even when sailing, but when seas got treacherous, we did batten down the hatches! 
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Steve K
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My 1977 Catalina22 had a similar sliding galley. Many owners used it as a TV stand in their garages, as it was more trouble than it was worth inside the boat.
Think about it............. you've got the boat all packed up for the weekend and now you're going to have to move all kinds of stuff around to slide out the galley. Then you're probably going to have to move the galley out to make room in the rear berth. And then your going to have to move all maner of stuff again that you put temporarily where the galley stows, so you can stow the galley. And then there was that winch handle that someone layed at the back of the galley, during breakfast, that got shoved to the rear of the boat when you pushed the galley back in it's stowage place. So after you stacked up all that stuff in front of the galley, you now have to unstack it, pull out the galley and retrieve the handle, stow everything back in it's place. Then, darn it, you realize that crunching sound was your favorite pair of sunglasses that you took off and layed down right in front of the sliding galley, just prior to pulling it out for dinner.
Ops, getting late, time to put her back on the trailer and go home. Maybe next time out we'll actually get time to do some sailing. What a pain
As if there wasn't enough to do already.
I found that the sliding galley on my C-22 worked very well............ yea, for a mooring anchor, after I filled all it's voids with concrete and threw it over the side
If space wasn't limited in a 26 foot boat in the first place, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem. But imagine what this will add in the way of one more thing to do, particularly if you have a group on board for the weekend. I'll take the interior layout of the X boat any day over the M particularly if the M reverts futher back to the '70s with a sliding galley.
Just my 2 cents and not knocking the M. I understand it makes up for the interior shortcomings in improved performance. AND, my wife saw the M brochure and likes the layout inside better.
SK
Think about it............. you've got the boat all packed up for the weekend and now you're going to have to move all kinds of stuff around to slide out the galley. Then you're probably going to have to move the galley out to make room in the rear berth. And then your going to have to move all maner of stuff again that you put temporarily where the galley stows, so you can stow the galley. And then there was that winch handle that someone layed at the back of the galley, during breakfast, that got shoved to the rear of the boat when you pushed the galley back in it's stowage place. So after you stacked up all that stuff in front of the galley, you now have to unstack it, pull out the galley and retrieve the handle, stow everything back in it's place. Then, darn it, you realize that crunching sound was your favorite pair of sunglasses that you took off and layed down right in front of the sliding galley, just prior to pulling it out for dinner.
Ops, getting late, time to put her back on the trailer and go home. Maybe next time out we'll actually get time to do some sailing. What a pain
As if there wasn't enough to do already.
I found that the sliding galley on my C-22 worked very well............ yea, for a mooring anchor, after I filled all it's voids with concrete and threw it over the side
If space wasn't limited in a 26 foot boat in the first place, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem. But imagine what this will add in the way of one more thing to do, particularly if you have a group on board for the weekend. I'll take the interior layout of the X boat any day over the M particularly if the M reverts futher back to the '70s with a sliding galley.
Just my 2 cents and not knocking the M. I understand it makes up for the interior shortcomings in improved performance. AND, my wife saw the M brochure and likes the layout inside better.
SK
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Frank C
Uh, oh! Wife likes it better ... don't want to sail alone ... better get used to a sliding galley! Conceptually, a sliding component only works if double-its-volume is always available, an unlikely prospect in my boat.Steve K wrote: . . . I found that the sliding galley on my C-22 worked very well............ yea, for a mooring anchor, after I filled all it's voids with concrete and threw it over the side . . . If space wasn't limited in a 26 foot boat in the first place, perhaps it wouldn't be a problem. . . . my wife saw the M brochure and likes the layout inside better
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Frank C
See the "testimonials" page on his website ??? They read like Anarchy's feedback to Mighetto's website.GreatLooperDave wrote:Slide–out Galley? Is it a return to MacGregor's roots? Or, did Roger meet Itty Atcravi or read about him in The New Times
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Frank C
GreatLooperDave wrote: . . . Get out your reading glasses, Frank. Those were the naysayers who said it was impossible. Itty persevered & proved them all WRONG
Maybe it requires rose-colored bi-focals, but not that I can see. And I'm not interested enough to buy the NYT report (or opinion?). There are no dates on the Testimonial page, and he doesn't bother to indicate they are just the naysayers.
I guess he'd have to sell a few dozen to prove them wrong, eh? Wait@! . . . maybe they're available on eBay . . .
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Frank C
Hardly. Not anything legible anyway, but I suppose anything on a website is credible? Link me to it when Winnebago or Fleetwood has take a license.GreatLooperDave wrote: . . . No problem, Frank. There's a free link right on the man's website . . .
Meanwhile, I can absolutely, positively guarantee you that the transom is wholy inadequate! Needs some 1/4" aluminum channel, fer shure, or it'll sink like a stone! And I have it on excellent rumor that there's been absolutely NO SCIENTIFIC TESTING of that hull or transom (I heard it right here!).
(BTW, sorry Rolf, but until you've graduated to "FO," your threads are apparently subject to hijacking.)
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As to Itty, this is the key quote from the newspaper; "Unlike many inventors, who struggle to find financing, Mr. Atcravi said he was of independent means, thanks to a grandmother who made savvy real estate investments in Thailand."
My general experience with the NYT is that most of what they print is filler. Usually highly developed filler designed for their own political agenda. Lately, they've gotten worse than they used to be though. One thing about reading the NYT is unlike the way journalism is supposed to be formatted, you can sometimes find them accidentally leaking elements of the truth at the end of the article. Of course that's where the above quote was found.
Back to the Mac. This all reminds me of my little galley drawer mod which is simply a way to organize stuff. The drawers take up some space that would be open and sort of wasted in the M galley, but they don't create any new space, and they require both positions (open & closed) to be clear of other stuff in order to function.
As for the rumored sliding M galley, hey I'd love to see it too. (On someone else's boat). That's one of the nice things about the M, the cabin space is open enough to allow personalized changes and additions, it doesn't have to be so much one design fits all.
My general experience with the NYT is that most of what they print is filler. Usually highly developed filler designed for their own political agenda. Lately, they've gotten worse than they used to be though. One thing about reading the NYT is unlike the way journalism is supposed to be formatted, you can sometimes find them accidentally leaking elements of the truth at the end of the article. Of course that's where the above quote was found.
Back to the Mac. This all reminds me of my little galley drawer mod which is simply a way to organize stuff. The drawers take up some space that would be open and sort of wasted in the M galley, but they don't create any new space, and they require both positions (open & closed) to be clear of other stuff in order to function.
As for the rumored sliding M galley, hey I'd love to see it too. (On someone else's boat). That's one of the nice things about the M, the cabin space is open enough to allow personalized changes and additions, it doesn't have to be so much one design fits all.
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Dave, fun reading, but it appears the only real thing that was actually built so far is the kitty litter box.....ahem, and this is what he had to say about that too! "Recently I have come up with better designs that
will not kill a cat and have disclosed some of them
in U.S. Patent No. 6202595."
Itty bitty kitty problemo there!
As far as his R.V. designs, well, unworkable and impractical, IMHO! I was an RV salesman, and along with a High line coach, we sold "another brand" which had a slide out, as at the time our company did not make them. I missed opportunities to sell to potential customers, simply because of that fact! So, there was this one occasion where I was showing how the slide out worked on this brand spankin' new motorhome, and slid it out, and it tore the whole bottom part of the motorhome off while being deployed. Ripped and torn fiberglass and structure all over creation! All we could do is look at the damage with our jaw dropped on the ground, and all I could say is "well I guess I am not selling you this Motorhome...huh?"....as the customer hurried to his car!!!
Hate ta burst Itty's bubble, but I'll keep him miles away from my Mac!
will not kill a cat and have disclosed some of them
in U.S. Patent No. 6202595."
Itty bitty kitty problemo there!
As far as his R.V. designs, well, unworkable and impractical, IMHO! I was an RV salesman, and along with a High line coach, we sold "another brand" which had a slide out, as at the time our company did not make them. I missed opportunities to sell to potential customers, simply because of that fact! So, there was this one occasion where I was showing how the slide out worked on this brand spankin' new motorhome, and slid it out, and it tore the whole bottom part of the motorhome off while being deployed. Ripped and torn fiberglass and structure all over creation! All we could do is look at the damage with our jaw dropped on the ground, and all I could say is "well I guess I am not selling you this Motorhome...huh?"....as the customer hurried to his car!!!
Hate ta burst Itty's bubble, but I'll keep him miles away from my Mac!
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I can't visualize what a slide out galley would look like. Sounds complicated. Sounds like it will have moving parts.
But based on my very limited experience with macgregor. I think they should refrain from creating a trim feature with moving parts. They seem to have a problem with static parts! Lets walk before we can run.
When I do fabrication, I get frustrated when my parts are off a 32nd of an inch. Mac's tolerance seems to be about an inch (or 2).
The dealers would lothe having to service those parts I bet.
Paul
But based on my very limited experience with macgregor. I think they should refrain from creating a trim feature with moving parts. They seem to have a problem with static parts! Lets walk before we can run.
When I do fabrication, I get frustrated when my parts are off a 32nd of an inch. Mac's tolerance seems to be about an inch (or 2).
The dealers would lothe having to service those parts I bet.
Paul