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Fully equipped 2008 Mac M
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:07 pm
by beene
Just an FYI to anyone reading this site, researching buying a new Mac M PowerSailor, here is what I found out from a quick look at dealer who advertises on this site.
2008 M Mac, equipped as described from the factory, with new aluminum trailer, shipping included, $19,200.
Then I loaded it up with:
$467___Surge brakes for trailer -
$340___Genoa sail, 206 sq. ft. [ ] For furler
$208___Jib sail, 130 sq. ft. [ ] For furler
$380___Cruising spinnaker, with sheets
$ 55___Genoa/Jib equipment (adjustable fair-lead blocks and sheets)
$476___Roller furling system - CDI Model FF2
$ 55___Vang (For better control of mainsail shape.)
$108___Mast raising system
$ 44___Steering linkage bar (For connecting the motor to the steering system.)
$152___Cockpit seat cushions
$144___Spare tire
So, that would total $21,629 USD and with our current Canadian dollar value $20,751 CDN.
Nill duties at the border for any Canadian customers FYI.
Shop around and buy a lease back outboard for $3,299 USD from a place like iboats.com for example like I did, "2005 75 4s Merc picked up in fall '07", and you're sitting at $23,916 CDN.
Not bad eh?
At a price like that, 75hp o/b, 4 sails, furler, etc, leaves lots of room for extra hardware, toys, Bimini, or whatever you want.
Although I would recommend taking it easy with all the extra add ons till you own it for a season or two, just to be sure of what you really want to add.
Happy Shopping!
G
:edited to fix spelling
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:28 pm
by Moe
If you're going to buy a new M, here are some recommendations I've compiled from posts here over the years... (besides the potty and stove overlooked above)
Don't order a MacGregor swim ladder, get a 4-step
ladder with treads and add an 18" grab bar by ladder
Add a shorter grab bar to the companionway hatch.
Don't order a MacGregor bimini, get one with a SS frame.
Don't order a MacGregor foresail, get a quality loft one.
Get a working jib instead of a genoa if only one foresail.
Get a luff pad installed.
Don't order a CDI furler, get a:
- hanked on jib with downhaul or
- Schaefer System Snapfurl CF-700.
Don't order a MacGregor vang, get a Garhauer rigid vang.
Don't order MacGregor cockpit cushions, get quality ones
with closed-cell foam.
Rather than have slugs, cunningham cringle, and intermediate
reef added to factory mainsail, sell it as new and use all
the money toward a quality loft mainsail with those features.
Add a mainsail cunningham.
Add a 4:1 clew outhaul.
Add double-line reefing led aft for both reef points.
Lead main halyard aft.
Add 4:1 running backs to genoa tracks.
Upgrade to 5/32" forestay with swaged fittings and turnbuckle.
Upgrade shrouds to swaged fittings and turnbuckles.
Upgrade jib winch cam cleats from 365 plastic to 150 aluminum
and add cam cleat risers to prevent overwrap.
Add "purchase" to daggerboard line.
Upgrade to Idasailor 26M rudders.
Upgrade electrical panel to 8 circuit model.
Upgrade deck plug to quality 4-pin model.
Install conduit or other wire path in mast.
Replace masthead light with one combined with deck light.
Add a mast-top anchor light.
Upgrade forward hatch latches and
add a forward hatch adjuster.
Sand, and gel-coat or Awl-Grip the bilge.
Probably some I've overlooked that others will add.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:29 pm
by NiceAft
Geoff,
Why both?
$340___Genoa sail, 206 sq. ft. [ ] For furler
$208___Jib sail, 130 sq. ft. [ ] For furler
Are you a Highlander wannabe with two Jibs?
Ray
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:50 pm
by hart
I've always had a jib and a genoa on all my boats. Much more versatile that way.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:12 pm
by NiceAft
On a roller furler
Not hanked on
Ray
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:37 pm
by delevi
Nice list Moe.
I would like to add a few goodies:
1. Etec 90 hp motor
2. 6:1 mainsheet with ratchmatic harken blocks adding 10:1 holding power when not cleated
3. Some sort of sail handling system like dutchman or lazy jacks
4. Folding table in dinette
5. Stern rail seats (very nice feature)
6. Go for the furler. I personally think the FF2 is fine. The Schaefer or Harken would be better but a lot more money and may have issues trailering. According to Mike Innmon, Roger is coming out with his own furling system which may be worth consideration. Besides, if one goes for the running backstays per yor suggestion, you aleviate the one and only drawback to the furler, so it's all gravy. Sorry, all you hank-on guys, but it just makes too much darn sense.
7. 6 gal fuel tanks (4 of them) Much easier to lift than 12 gal
8. Dual batteries with switch
9. Autopilot
10. GPS/Sounder with chart software
11. Bimini
12. Dodger
Ok, I'm starting to make my own wish list here. I think I'm done.
Cheers,
Leon
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:40 am
by Moe
Pelican hooks on lifelines (your post about the spreaders reminded me of this one)
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:29 am
by Terry
Moe/Delevi:
Nice lists - both of you!
I googled the Schaefer Snapfurl to see what is was, $1040.00 at Sailnet, very comparable to the CDI FF2 price and surperior quality. I still have my two hank-ons so this upgrade is very enticing. I have most of the other items on the two lists with the exception of new sails, rudders & 90hp engine, still drooling there.
Stern rail seats are a nice to have but I have yet to comprehend the ROI being anything more than
"The Fun Factor" 
The Mainsail handling system I have half designed and parts aquired for a DIY style, since I see a new mainsail in my future I am reluctant to invest very much considering in all likely hood I will aquire a quality sytem with the new Main.
I am sure the Admiral would agree with Moes cockpit cushions, I can't quite come to terms with their cost but if I know what's good for me I will worry more about consequences of not having them.
Improved forestay is good, on my list.
Did the daggerboard with pulleys at the cleat end but still have another idea for more improvement there. Thinking of having a u-bolt welded to the latch with the bitter end of the line attached to it, then run it down through a pully epoxied into the top of the daggerboard, then back up through the pulley in the latch, up over to the pully at the jib track then down to my 2:1 or 3:1 system at the cleat. Might sound like overkill but I also whish to add 50# to the board some day.
So where does it all end? Seems everytime I install a few mods and cross them off my wish list I have going, a few more find their way onto it, the list never shrinks. I guess I want a boat as cool as Highlander or Delevi, but I lack the fiancial resources to do it all in a shorter term and need to aquire the skills of those like Jack Sparrow to accomplish my goals. Never fear though I am determined to produce a unique 26M that exudes
"coolness" 
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:03 am
by delevi
So where does it all end?
It doesn't. That's part of the whole coolness aspect. You can keep buying new goodies for your boat as time and resources permit and just keep on going. The beauty of this is you can enjoy what you have, yet constantly improve it and enjoy it some more. As for me, I'm a bit tapped out, yet I still have a sizable wish list which I will get to down the road, one mod at a time
Cheers,
Leon
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:44 pm
by Divecoz
Moe wrote:If you're going to buy a new M, here are some recommendations I've compiled from posts here over the years... (besides the potty and stove overlooked above)
Don't order a MacGregor swim ladder, get a 4-step
ladder with treads and add an 18" grab bar by ladder
Add a shorter grab bar to the companionway hatch.
I agree
Don't order a MacGregor bimini, get one with a SS frame.
IMHO S.S. frame is not worth the money. My Cheap Al. Cabela's has been fine for 2 years so far.
Don't order a MacGregor foresail, get a quality loft one.
Get a working jib instead of a genoa if only one foresail.
Get a luff pad installed.
I bought a hank-on Jib thru Bill@boats4sail and its been more than enough for me. Though now I am buying a FF2 BB Roller for under $500Don't order a CDI furler, get a:
- hanked on jib with downhaul or
- Schaefer System Snapfurl CF-700.
Hank on is a PITA and Schaefer is twice the cost
Don't order a MacGregor vang, get a Garhauer rigid vang.
Guilty as charged now wish I had the rigid
Don't order MacGregor cockpit cushions, get quality ones
with closed-cell foam.
Look for price, you dont want them sitting outside everyday anyway so dont worry about open or closed cell if . . . the price is a killer.
Rather than have slugs, cunningham cringle, and intermediate
reef added to factory mainsail, sell it as new and use all
the money toward a quality loft mainsail with those features.
Who's going to buy it? But Maybe ?? But Mine works fine for me
Add a mainsail cunningham.
Add a 4:1 clew outhaul.
Add double-line reefing led aft for both reef points.
Lead main halyard aft.
Add 4:1 running backs to genoa tracks.
Upgrade to 5/32" forestay with swaged fittings and turnbuckle.
Upgrade shrouds to swaged fittings and turnbuckles.
Seems like much of the above was done for me by Bill
Upgrade jib winch cam cleats from 365 plastic to 150 aluminum
and add cam cleat risers to prevent overwrap.
Add "purchase" to daggerboard line.
Upgrade to Idasailor 26M rudders.
If you find you actually have a need, but most of us havent found that to be true . But hey if you got the $$$
Upgrade electrical panel to 8 circuit model.
YES I added a 6 circuit
Upgrade deck plug to quality 4-pin model.
Yes and the wires to make it usefull
Install conduit or other wire path in mast.
Good Idea I didnt need to, but I have numerous tools most dont own.
Replace masthead light with one combined with deck light.
Nice touch, yet to do, but doable.
Add a mast-top anchor light.
YES
Upgrade forward hatch latches and
add a forward hatch adjuster.
On my list as well
Sand, and gel-coat or Awl-Grip the bilge.
Waiting for Moe to come by and help. . crummy job to perform(Sanding)
Probably some I've overlooked that others will add.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:27 pm
by Terry
In my neck of the woods the CDI furler that appears to be on all the boats here was aprox $1000.00 Cdn last I heard (a year ago). Now with the Cdn dollar I can get that Shaefer unit for the same cost, it is at Sailnet for $1040.00, does anyone have/heard anything about the quality of the shaefer unit. Seems to me to be a no brainer if it is a superior product. I do have to get a headsail system if I want to single hand and my mickey mouse downhaul experiment failed. Can someone shed some light on this unit before I beg the Admiral to include it in the budget?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:38 pm
by Divecoz
Terry wrote:In my neck of the woods the CDI furler that appears to be on all the boats here was aprox $1000.00 Cdn last I heard (a year ago). Now with the Cdn dollar I can get that Shaefer unit for the same cost, it is at Sailnet for $1040.00, does anyone have/heard anything about the quality of the shaefer unit. Seems to me to be a no brainer if it is a superior product. I do have to get a headsail system if I want to single hand and my mickey mouse downhaul experiment failed. Can someone shed some light on this unit before I beg the Admiral to include it in the budget?
Hummmm I better go back and look as the price I thought I found was under $500 US for the CDI FF2 BB
Just a summer ago ...
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:11 pm
by TAW02
I installed a CDI on my MAC25 and it cost me about 450 bucks, but by the time I bought the 125 headsail from Sail Warehouse and all other, including the cost of a new headstay at 100 bucks I ended up with a total cost of 1100 bucks.
oh well just a rule of thumb to go by.
Big T
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:48 pm
by bscott
www.mauriprosailing.com has the Schaeffer CF700 for $873.90 Three year waranty. The last time I looked at the CDI FF2 is was $663 plus $84 for ball brgs--6 year waranty.
Bob
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:38 pm
by ALX357
I am curious if there are any MacOwners who have the bare boat and are happy with sailing/motoring it without any added goodies.
No stove built in, no CDI, no Bikini, no cockpit cushions, no nothin' 'cept bare Mac.
Anyone like that. ?