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'02 Titan tires failed-ready for dual axel

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:51 am
by Bobby T.-26X #4767
Sunday afternoon was 80 miles from home with another 80 to go.
the starboard Titan tire shredded.
it took the fender with it. fortunately, i had tools to remove the nuts that hold the fender.
rim was destroyed.
fortunately I had a good spare.
unfortunately, i didn't have a good jack. so i had to call AAA.
an hour later...i drove another 80 miles with one bad Titan and no spare.
"limped" to my destination.
the final 20 miles i had to do side streets to the marina as the bad Titan was separating and bulging.

since i'm now 160 miles from home, i went to a tire store this morning.
two galvanized rims and Goodyear Marathons (215-75r-14) $260.

even though it was the Titans...i'm now ready for the "dual axel" mod...

Bob T.
"DaBob"
'02X w/ '04 90-TLDI & '06 2.5-Suzuki

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:28 pm
by Frank C
FWIW, when I still had the 14" Titans I could not leave my hand on those tires after 10 freeway miles - hot enough to burn skin!

Yet my pair of 15" Marathon radials (at 50# pressure, 4300# capacity per pair) have less heat build-up than my truck tires after 30 miles on the freeway (from marina to home). I think 85% of the Mac 26X trailering problems were caused by those Titans - whether low pressure or just bias-ply construction? I'm absolutely satisfied with the 15" solution.

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:57 pm
by Rich Walton
Bobby,

I have an extra axel (springs and all) if you want it PM me and i give it to you! or you can call me and i will walk you thru the order that i placed for my bolt on project.

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:14 pm
by Bobby T.-26X #4767
Frank C wrote:FWIW, when I still had the 14" Titans I could not leave my hand on those tires after 10 freeway miles - hot enough to burn skin!

Yet my pair of 15" Marathon radials (at 50# pressure, 4300# capacity per pair) have less heat build-up than my truck tires after 30 miles on the freeway (from marina to home). I think 85% of the Mac 26X trailering problems were caused by those Titans - whether low pressure or just bias-ply construction? I'm absolutely satisfied with the 15" solution.
good to know.
however, i didn't go to 15's since i'll probably do the dual myself with the Champion kit sometime this winter.
Rich wrote:I have an extra axel (springs and all) if you want it PM me and i give it to you! or you can call me and i will walk you thru the order that i placed for my bolt on project.
thanks for the offer. i'll email you when i'm ready to order and you can give me your thoughts.
i take it that you have the extra axel because of your upgraded disk brakes???

tires

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:14 pm
by Night Sailor
Yes, Ipve been very happy with the Marathon radials on my 5000lb travel trailer after 10K miles, so last week I replaced the X's 9 year old 205 bias trailer tires with the Marathon 215s. Radials just run cooler and ride smoother. The new larger size has more load capacity. Always a good thing.

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:23 am
by Catigale
FWIW, when I still had the 14" Titans I could not leave my hand on those tires after 10 freeway miles - hot enough to burn skin!
Frank - Im still running the original 2002 tires on my

Titan ST 215/75D14

On edit - I dont have radials...the D above means they are Bias ply of course.....

I inflate them to 50 psi (max on side) and after 2 hours of 65 mph they warm but not hot to the touch. Hot pressure is 60 psi.

There is probably a 30 degree F difference between our measurements ...wonder why it is so big??? :macx:

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:59 am
by Frank C
Frank C wrote:FWIW, when I still had the 14" Titans I could not leave my hand on those tires after 10 freeway miles - hot enough to burn skin! ...
Stephen ... maybe I did exaggerate slightly.
The Titans probably wouldn't actually sear flesh, and maybe they wouldn't fry an egg ... :) but they were definitely too hot to leave your palm on them for long. Yes, I too kept them at 50 lbs. and I too found the hot pressure went up by ~ 10#.

Not sure about why yours aren't building as much heat, but maybe I had a brake dragging for longer than I realized. The right trailer tire always seemed hotter and that's the side that I eventually toasted. Even so, both tires were consistently hot after some freeway miles. I feel much safer with the Marathon 15s.

I still think you're at risk in two ways. First, the bias-ply tires will clearly generate more heat than radial tires. Second, the 14-inchers are clearly burdened to their maximum load capacity. Even Bobby's 14-inch radials are probably safer than the Titans.

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:38 am
by Bobby T.-26X #4767
after seeing what happened to my Titans, i would strongly recommend that an '02 trailer with Titans (which is now over 4 years old) be replaced with new non-Titan tires.
my first one blew, and the second one was separating/bubbled. destroyed a fender which cost another $125 to replace.
Marathon's were $90 each and galvanized rims are $35 each.
it was about a $500 day for me.