Hi there
I'm new here but I just thought I'd like to say hi and ask for tips or advice on buying a used 26M.
Basically I'm in the USA in early June and during my stay I'll have lots of spare time. My intention is to find and export a late model 26M to New Zealand. Any information would be most welcome
regards
Steve C
I want one, I really want one!
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Steve Campbell
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Thanks Aya,
I'd love to sail it to NZ but what about the trailer, do you think it would create too much drag in the water?
On second thoughts it'll be quicker and safer in a nice steel container.
Once here it can sail the wonderful coastal waters and lakes of NZ.
It sounds nice, just need to find the right boat, deal with customs, etc etc etc et cetera and it'll still be better than buying one from NZ where Macs are rarer than hens teeth.
I'd love to sail it to NZ but what about the trailer, do you think it would create too much drag in the water?
On second thoughts it'll be quicker and safer in a nice steel container.
Once here it can sail the wonderful coastal waters and lakes of NZ.
It sounds nice, just need to find the right boat, deal with customs, etc etc etc et cetera and it'll still be better than buying one from NZ where Macs are rarer than hens teeth.
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Dimitri-2000X-Tampa
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I don't know what its like to export to NZ, but I know that exporting a boat to Europe is extremely expensive, sometimes the duty/taxes being as much again as the boat cost.
I'm keeping my eyes open for a used 26X/26M for sale within the EC. Once the boat is already in an EC country, you can move it to other EC countries without paying duty. I want to have one I can keep in Greece to sail the Med with for a couple weeks every year, then throw it back on the trailer and store it for free on the hard. Renting a vehicle to tow it with could be a bit more challenging though.
I'm keeping my eyes open for a used 26X/26M for sale within the EC. Once the boat is already in an EC country, you can move it to other EC countries without paying duty. I want to have one I can keep in Greece to sail the Med with for a couple weeks every year, then throw it back on the trailer and store it for free on the hard. Renting a vehicle to tow it with could be a bit more challenging though.
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Morimaro
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private 26X/M's for sale in UK (EC)
Dimitri,
here is a url for 3*26X and 1*26m private owners on a big UK Boating site
http://marinedirectory.ybw.com/boat/new ... &Submit=Go
Also on the same site is a brokerage listing with more Mac's.
I know of at least two 26X's being sold by UKMOA members who have moved onto other bigger boats.
Over 300 26X's were delivered to the UK in its lifetime and now the 26M continues with approx 50 a year, so you should be able to get something fulfilling all the EC requirements on RCD licenced and VAT payed in EC.
Cheers
Morris Rooms
9926X hullaballoo UK
One of our UKMOA members trailed his boat down to Croatia last year and has left it there for use in the summer htis year, so there should be no problems getting a boat to Greece.
here is a url for 3*26X and 1*26m private owners on a big UK Boating site
http://marinedirectory.ybw.com/boat/new ... &Submit=Go
Also on the same site is a brokerage listing with more Mac's.
I know of at least two 26X's being sold by UKMOA members who have moved onto other bigger boats.
Over 300 26X's were delivered to the UK in its lifetime and now the 26M continues with approx 50 a year, so you should be able to get something fulfilling all the EC requirements on RCD licenced and VAT payed in EC.
Cheers
Morris Rooms
9926X hullaballoo UK
One of our UKMOA members trailed his boat down to Croatia last year and has left it there for use in the summer htis year, so there should be no problems getting a boat to Greece.
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cuisto
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In 1989-91 I lived in Nice on the French Riviera while attending Chef School.
I had a friend there who had shipped her car over with ONTARIO lic plates. She would return to Canada to visit family often enough to renew her stickers . Wonder how long one could keep a foreign registered boat in Europe. There has to be a way around the red tape somwhere.
While in France we (4 of us) chartered a Cruise on a C&C 36 and sailed from St Jean Cap Ferrat to St Tropez and back with the owner for about $400 had a blast. The owner was French but the boat wes older and was from the US originally.
I had a friend there who had shipped her car over with ONTARIO lic plates. She would return to Canada to visit family often enough to renew her stickers . Wonder how long one could keep a foreign registered boat in Europe. There has to be a way around the red tape somwhere.
While in France we (4 of us) chartered a Cruise on a C&C 36 and sailed from St Jean Cap Ferrat to St Tropez and back with the owner for about $400 had a blast. The owner was French but the boat wes older and was from the US originally.
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fran trapp
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and trailer will fit in 1 container. Import duties may be the bigest concern. Sometimes a "used" items does not have the same duties and a "new" item. Just a thought. 
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Steve Campbell
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Thanks for the thoughts so far.
I agree that duties and taxes will be an issue for me but read on to see my rationale................
Firstly, secondhand (preloved don't you just hate that word?) 26Ms are almost unheard of here.
Secondly, the basic maths is that a new 26m here costs just over US$55000. That's for a reasonably well equipped (but nothing special) boat. If, whilst I am in America, I buy a good 2005 model for under US$30000 and ship it to New Zealand in a container (cost is US$3800), I'll pay duty at 7% and tax at 12.5%. Add to that the registering of the trailer, Quarantine inspection, etc., and a few trailer Mods needed for local compliance and we have the magic number around US$41000.
So finally, even with a hidden extra or two (isn't there always) I'm US$14k better off. That's enough to import a Mitsi Delica 4X4 from Japan to tow it with and still have US$5000 plus left for toys from the price I would have paid for a new boat here.
One question is does the US charge an Export tax on goods like this, do anyone of you know if this is the case?
So importing certainly seems to be the right thing to do from my viewpoint but the very reason I posted here was to hear your points of view so point away, blow holes in my case by all means,
I'm all ears as Alfred E Neuman might say
regards
Steve
I agree that duties and taxes will be an issue for me but read on to see my rationale................
Firstly, secondhand (preloved don't you just hate that word?) 26Ms are almost unheard of here.
Secondly, the basic maths is that a new 26m here costs just over US$55000. That's for a reasonably well equipped (but nothing special) boat. If, whilst I am in America, I buy a good 2005 model for under US$30000 and ship it to New Zealand in a container (cost is US$3800), I'll pay duty at 7% and tax at 12.5%. Add to that the registering of the trailer, Quarantine inspection, etc., and a few trailer Mods needed for local compliance and we have the magic number around US$41000.
So finally, even with a hidden extra or two (isn't there always) I'm US$14k better off. That's enough to import a Mitsi Delica 4X4 from Japan to tow it with and still have US$5000 plus left for toys from the price I would have paid for a new boat here.
One question is does the US charge an Export tax on goods like this, do anyone of you know if this is the case?
So importing certainly seems to be the right thing to do from my viewpoint but the very reason I posted here was to hear your points of view so point away, blow holes in my case by all means,
I'm all ears as Alfred E Neuman might say
regards
Steve
I am just wondering because I have no idea about NZ laws. Are duties different for different originating countries i.e., less if you are bringing the boat from say United Arab Emirates? If it is duty free to bring the boat to U.A.E. and have it there for a season in a slip, is it cheaper to then bring it to NZ from there?
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Steve Campbell
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As I understand it the duty is applicable at the port of entry as a fixed levy and has no relation to the port of origin.
The exception to Duty is on goods that are your own personal posessions and have been so for (I believe) 2 years. Goods you have bought solely for import are always liable to duty.
I do, of course, stand to be corrected (I'm used to it, being married )
The exception to Duty is on goods that are your own personal posessions and have been so for (I believe) 2 years. Goods you have bought solely for import are always liable to duty.
I do, of course, stand to be corrected (I'm used to it, being married
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Frank C
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Lease
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Steve,
You may want to contact hjyachts.com.au
They are one of the mobs currently importing used Macs to Oz at the moment. If you buy the boat yourself whilst in the US, they may agree to be your shipping agent to NZ. Worth a thought, since they have lots of experience in regard to the costs and statutory requirements (which can't be too different in the 7th State!).
You may want to contact hjyachts.com.au
They are one of the mobs currently importing used Macs to Oz at the moment. If you buy the boat yourself whilst in the US, they may agree to be your shipping agent to NZ. Worth a thought, since they have lots of experience in regard to the costs and statutory requirements (which can't be too different in the 7th State!).
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k9piper
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ExPORT DUTY
If you export goods from the USA to another country you will not pay any EXPORT Tax. You must have your exporting paperwork in order and filed if not you coule have your shipment delayed , seized and have fines imposed.
If all your paperwork is in order the only funds you will pay is your shipping fees from the freight forwarder and or Customs Broker depending on the value of the item.
It seem like a 26M and trailer should fit into a 40 ft container. The charges are usually made up on the amount of space needed on the ship and the weight of the shipment. You might also be charged for the loading and unloading of the shipment if a private cooper service is used.
The duty or tax that might be charged will be at the point of entry at the destination if the shipment is permitted into the country of destination. Perhaps you should check what can be entered into the country of destination.
Make sure that you have a bill of sale/ownership to ship out and do not store any gas ect in the craft. Also make sure you have insurance.
If you need any additional information contact you closest Customs and Border Protection office here in the USA. They will tell you what forms and if you need any special paperwork ect.
I hope this helps.
k9Piper
If all your paperwork is in order the only funds you will pay is your shipping fees from the freight forwarder and or Customs Broker depending on the value of the item.
It seem like a 26M and trailer should fit into a 40 ft container. The charges are usually made up on the amount of space needed on the ship and the weight of the shipment. You might also be charged for the loading and unloading of the shipment if a private cooper service is used.
The duty or tax that might be charged will be at the point of entry at the destination if the shipment is permitted into the country of destination. Perhaps you should check what can be entered into the country of destination.
Make sure that you have a bill of sale/ownership to ship out and do not store any gas ect in the craft. Also make sure you have insurance.
If you need any additional information contact you closest Customs and Border Protection office here in the USA. They will tell you what forms and if you need any special paperwork ect.
I hope this helps.
k9Piper