Removable Transom Mounted Sonar Transducer

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Removable Transom Mounted Sonar Transducer

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Hi All!

We recently completed a mod to allow us to have a removable sonar transducer for our Mac26X.

With out going into all the legacy aspects we did this so we could easily remove our sonar transducer
> when not in use
> minimize marine growth
> when trailering
> when backing into the beach
> when deliberately “tiding out” on the beach
> to be able to easily change out between or primary chartplotter & sonar and our auxiliary chartplotter & sonar systems (redundancy)
> to be able to swap chartplotter so & sonar systems between or Mac26X Over Easy and our little runabout Scrambled
> to avoid leaving the transducer perpetually out in the elements year round
>>> Importantly this was to be able to fully utilize the Side-Scan Sonar features of our primary chartplotter & sonar system that we couldn’t with our prior “within-the-hull” arrangement. The “within-the-hull” arrangement only reliably worked if the ballast tank was full and then only in the downward Clear-Vee depth mode. The Side-Scan features weren’t operable even when we made a considerably larger liquid fill within-the-hull transducer box.

So let get started….

I utilized a section of cast aluminum TRAXSTECH “T-rail” 18 inches long that I mounted to our G-10 engine mount reinforcing plate we installed as part of our new engine up grade to the Suzuki DF60 AV. I deliberately made the plate the full width of the engine mount flat area so that it would not only spread out the load but provide addition ‘not into the hull’ mounting surface if desired which is what we utilized the mount the TRAXSTECH to the stern by drilling and tapping full depth 1/4-20 threads into the plate. The screws were driven in with Locktite Green thread lock compound to help ensure the screws won’t back out on their own. A bottom stop bolt was added at the base of the T-rail and was dipped in Locktite Green to help keep it in place over time.

(Aside 1: G-10 is a form of manufactured plate fiberglass used industrially and comes in versions that resist water intrusion and harsh environments. It is universally and consistently very dense and strong. I also prepped, epoxy primed and coated it entirely with ablative antifouling before mounting.)

(Aside 2: TRAXSTECH is a really robust system to mount fishing gear and accessories to gunnel tops such as Deep Sea rod holders & etc. yes it’s definitely overkill for a transducer but I got it in a four foot length at a good price. The spare length will go on our little runabout to also make a removable/swap-able transducer mount so Over Easy & Scrambled can easily share either’s chartplotters and transducers. What length of the TEAXSTECH rail will find other goo uses as well on other projects.)

I utilized a section of used spare STARBOARD to make the T-slot slider plate. It was made about 14 inches long to provide a nice stable interface to guide and hold the outer mount plate which the transducer is mounted.
I used SST #10-24 screws and SST Self locking nuts to make the gap space between the slider plate and the outer mount plate. This allowed me to adjust the clamping gap between them to guide/grip them to the TRAXSTECH T-rail.

The 24” long outer clamp plate was made from nominal 4” PVC lumber board which is actually 3-1/2 inches wide and the same width as the T-rail. The Garmin transducer bracket is mounted at the bottom and a 1” diameter finger lift hole was made at the top. The cut ends and finger hole were routered with a 1/2” radius to preclude sharp edges.

The relationship between the slider plate and the outer mount plate was adjusted so that the transducer was protruding below the bottom of the hull the recommended 1/4-to-3/8 amount (per Garmin). I still have an additional 1” of downward sdjustment on the Garmin supplied bracket should that be needed. On the off chance more downward adjustment is needed I can also trim the slide plate where it meets the stop bolt on the T-rail.

I mounted the transducer and routed the cable up and through the finger lift hole while securing the cable with UV resistant cable clamps to keep things neat and secure.

I adjusted the compression between the slide plate and outer mount plate to the T-rail via the external nuts to make the assembly secure while in use but still easily removable. Should thing loosen up over time I can alsway re tighten the clamping function of the screws for a tighter fit.

This mod allows us to now easily remove the transducer from the water when not in actual use and will allow us to easily swap chartplotters/transducers between both our Mac26X Over Easy and our little runabout Scrambled when desired (once I get Scrambled set up and an additional mount assembly made 🙄😉).

Here are a several photos of where we’re at at this time:

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Finished removable transducer assembly with prior auxiliary transducer mounted to ballast valve for reference

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Above are the clearance photos between the engine and transducer as well as the rudder bracket (sorry about the rudders being off as we’ve been operating in Trawler Mode😱😉😎😎

Below are perspective photos of the various parts for reference

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So far so good!👍👍
Now I can remove the auxiliary transducer from Over Easy once the rain lets up…

Best Regards,
Over Easy 😎😎🐩🐈

Ps: Finished cleaned up installation photos:
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Last edited by OverEasy on Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Removable Transom Mounted Sonar Transducer

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Very interesting. For your purposes, I can see this working well.

Thanks for posting.
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This looks like what i could use. Thanks
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Hi All!

So we did get out Monday afternoon. Great weather if a bit hot as the afternoon wore on. But it’s cooler when you’re out on the water.
We went on Battery Creek and then crossed over to the Cat Island Cut and onto Cowen Creek and up to Distant Island Creek. Beautiful afternoon.

We played with the new transom mounted removable sonar transducer and our primary chart plotter that we’d not used so far this season.
All the nice features and functionality were all there including the Side Scan aspect. …. Well sort of 🙄🤔….

Remember I mentioned that the location was a bit of a compromise in that we needed to clear both the engine and the rudder swings…kinda limited where we could place it… the only location was about 10 inches to the starboard side of the engine’s vertical centerline instead of Garmin’s recommendation to be at least 18 inches. The problem we encountered was kind of interesting.

As many of you already know the Side Scan Sonar provides one with a port and starboard view from the bottom out to the respective sides. The center most portion of those wing images is the depth under the hull and the image further out to either side is the angular line of sight distance to whatever is down there. So while we were merrily playing around I noticed something peculiar… the port side image was nearly identical to that of the starboard one but fuzzier…🤔🤔🤔…. Ahh Ha! I raised the engine up to where it was almost out of the water and VOILA!!! the port side image improved substantially and no longer was a direct copy of the starboard side. Mystery solved!
The engine was acting as a deflector of the port signal and echo wall of the starboard signal return. So at the moment the Side Scan feature is a 50% benefit to our desires to know where the channel side will lay. Something is always better than nothing ( I’m a glass 🥃 half full kind of person rather than half empty if you’all haven’t figured that out already :D :D ). In dicey situations we can always raise up the engine and ease through the iffy locations at reduced speed…which we would be doing anyways.

The fish finder and Clear Vue features both work phenomenally. These are our most commonly used sonar functions currently with our auxiliary and previously with our primary systems. These provide the bulk of our needs. The Side-Scan of the primary system is the feature we haven’t been able to utilize previously. The work around of raising the engine up while not perfect (nothing ever is🙄) is OK for us at this point. It’s the only real viable stern mount location given the clearances between the rudder and engine swings. I’m pretty sure there will be some level of signal deflection when the rudder is down for the Side-Scan function on the starboard side instead of the port side (it’s gonna swap sides 🙄 and probably “see” the port rudder to some extent as well). The only other option I can see at this point would be to permanently mount the transducer to the external bottom of the hull along the centerline mid way between the end of the rudder trunk and the stern ahead of the engine and that’s just not gonna happen. What we’ve got now is more than good enough for our needs.

I may play around with angling the transducer to face more forward to see if I can get a better view of potential obstructions as we approach them. I’ve seen transducers mounted on trolling motors facing forward at an angle for that purpose. (Currently most commonly used sonar is showing us what we have passed by… Sorta like looking through the floor boards while driving….😉).

The bigger chart screen and course plotting/tracking are really nice to have available again. We transferred the preloaded advanced detail chart data chip from the auxiliary chart plotter and it really improved readability when on our larger primary unit. The chip is fully compatible between both chartplotters and covers not only the Eastern Seaboard but also Lake Champlain as well!

The up side is the removable transom mounted transducer works and is easy to install, deploy, use and retrieve. It stays where we place it and doesn’t ride up when underway at full WOT or any other operational setting. 👍👍😎😎

I’m gonna look and see if Garmin has an extension sonar transducer cable for both our primary and auxiliary chart plotters so I can route them inside the hull to keep the cables out of the cockpit floor. If not I’ll just have to get appropriate connectors and splice in what I need.

All-in-all we’re pretty satisfied and are already enjoying the ability to get the transponder up and out of the water when not in use.

Best Regards,
Over Easy
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I think we have similar chartplotters. Mine is the Echomap UHD series.

It came with a strap that I assume is to mount the transducer on a trolling motor head. That must be where they expect most people to mount it.

As I recall, it came with a VERY long cable. The trick is always where it penetrates the hull. I seem to remember a smaller connector that allows it to pass through a small opening. Mine is inside the hull in a bed of putty.

Honestly, I looked at the side view display in the "demo" mode and can't figure out what I'm looking at. All's I need is simple depth (so I know if I can anchor) and the charts (which are amazing).

What other charts did you load into it. I have an old Garmin SD card and a Navionics SD card that I have not bothered to load because the default charts are so detailed. Even shows my slip in my marina.
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Hi Russ!

Yes, our chart plotters are very similar! 🙂

The baseline charts are very nice and provide a good baseline.
We did want to have a higher level of detail for our wandering around our SC estuaries, the ICW, Lake Champlain, Lake Winnipesaukee and the North East coastal areas.
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This should provide known detail down to 1 foot increments.

Got a chance recently to compare the baseline map detail vs the upgraded chip map details on Monday.
It was substantial!
There is a free update within two years of purchase as well.

We dug out an old 12 VDC plug adapter (from our old “suitcase/bag phone” :D :D ) that allows us to utilize our chart plotter at home to map out our route tracks in advance. Kind of enjoy this aspect.

(As an aside we also have the Navionics app on our phone and iPad as a backstop and for desk top planning. The actual positional accuracy is limited to cell phone tower reception whereas the Garmin Chart Plotter is actual GPS based.)

Best Regards,
Over Easy 😎😎🐩🐈

Samples:
Our SC marina
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The breakwater gap between Mallets Bay and Lake Champlain
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Detailed bottom contour
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Oh yea, I forgot. You can connect via Bluetooth to the chartplotter from a phone or computer. I can see everything on my phone that is on the plotter. Kind of cool if down in the cabin. I haven't explored it much. I think it can download data from the plotter as well.

I think what I really would like is to connect the Suzuki motor data to the plotter to see realtime data. The only data I get now is an analog tach which when I tap seems to move up higher.
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Hi All!

Bit of an update on the actual 6 Day ICW Beaufort to Charleston and Back Cruise Trials conducted this past week.
The removable transom mount went perfectly!!!

✅All transponder functions worked as expected (accounting for the minor aspect with the engine lower unit echo reflection aspect discussed in prior posting)
✅Transponder was easily installed.
✅Transponder stayed in place.
✅Transponder was easily raised when desired.
✅Transponder was easily removed and stored.

Liked how it gave additional information about the regions to either side of the boat when in narrow channels.
Like all sonar transponders it still only really gives you information in a slice plane localized to the actual transponder itself.
Not much if any forward/aft look capabilities which is expected. Eventually I’ll figure out how to either bow mount a transducer or work out a valid “look forward” capability… but that’s another challenge for another day🤔).

Very happy with the results given over this past week’s cruise!
Very Happy!

Best Regards,
Over Easy 😎😎🐩🐈
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