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Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:05 pm
by Bilgemaster
I've been pretty happy nursing along my fumey sputtery little Harbor Freight 2-stroker 900 watt Storm Cat generator that some lumbering jamoke, in a surge of testosterone and frustration, had chucked into the parking lot when they wouldn't let him return or exchange it without a receipt. Having rolled to a stop not far from my tow beast, I just tossed it into the back for later examination. A few shots of carb cleaner, some fresh fuel and an old garden gate handle screwed on to replace the broken plastic original, and it's been happily sputtering along ever since. I just adore it: it's light and compact and really portable...just the thing in the boat yard for powering the odd tool or topping off the batteries. In fact, I've appreciated it so much, a few weeks ago I bought a spare just for the hull of it while it was on sale for the princely sum of just $88. I am sure this one is getting a far more conscientious breaking-in than its predecessor. The trick with these rigs is to replace that Chinese Bongodongo (or whatever it's called) spark plug with a name brand NGK (BP6ES), Autolite (64) or Champion (RN11YC). You'll hear the difference almost immediately as it smooths right out, especially under any kind of load. Sure, it'll run with the Bongodongo...but it'll run better with a better plug. Thing is though, 900 watts won't make the nut for my little power washer, or lots of other gear we might want to use on the boat. And while its loudmouth sputtery ways may be inoffensive in a boat yard, maybe even a little charming, I'd have to guess it would be less so in a quiet anchorage or marina first thing in the morning putting its shoulder into running a coffeemaker.

So, I'd been sort of eyeing the newer far quieter and more powerful Harbor Freight 4-stroke Predator 2500 Peak/2200 Running Watts Inverter Generator, a reasonable enough knockoff of the comparable but far more expensive Honda and Yamaha units popular with cruisers. I'd been just biding my time until the thing went on special again for under $400, when I just happened to notice something on eBay called a Ramsond Sinemate 2500. What struck me about it was the fact that it offered not only a regular 120V 15 Amp wall socket style outlet, but also a proper 30 Amp shore power style twist-on outlet, as well as a " \ / " style 12V DC outlet with a set of matching jumper cables...And, get this: electric start! So, I set up a lowball snipe bid to only post in the last 7 seconds of the auction and got it for just $405 with free shipping no less. From that price I'd have to guess not many folks have heard of Ramsond generators yet. I hadn't, and there are few reviews online. Still, if mine is any indication...You will. Everything works tip-top so far. Having spent a couple of evenings breaking her in properly, last weekend in the boat yard her shore power tested dead steady on the meter at 120 volts, charged my dual batteries even as can be while the stereo pumped, then ran my 1600 watt power washer several hours without so much as a hiccup. Just out of curiosity I downloaded a decibel meter to my Android phone, and the thing apparently consistently puts out less than 60 dB at 10 feet (not 10 paces) in Eco mode with a light load (an oscillating fan), even from the exhaust end--much less, like down into the mid 50s, from the other side. Not too shabby for four bills. The Harbor Freight Predator unit claims a sound rating of 64 dB...But that would likely be on its best day: overcast, with no load and surrounded by shredded egg cartons, and huge genetically modified hyper-furry bunnies, I'm sure. The Honda 2000i genset claims 53 to 59 dB, but then it also costs about $1,100 bucks. Oh, I'll still be using the little sputterbox, for sure. It's just too handy...but for quiet tasteful and polite shore power away from shore or beefier requirements, well...

Why all this damned power washing all the damned time, you ask? Well, ladies and gentlemen, it seems I now have a "fleet." You see, as well as the Mac 26X and the Amphicar, I seem to have acquired a pretty little Com-Pac 16 sailboat for a dollar. Details and photos here.

But fear not, you'll always be my first love...

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:48 pm
by Highlander
ok I,ll bite where,s the twist-on 30 amp marine connector outlet plug ??

J

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:38 am
by Bilgemaster
Highlander wrote:ok I,ll bite where,s the twist-on 30 amp marine connector outlet plug ??

J
Ummm...Gotta be an ultra-witty rejoinder to that, but it's way too early and the muse is still in the sack. So, the straightforward answer is that the 30 Amp 120 Volt AC female L5-30R type marine shore power style twist-on socket is right on the front panel next to a "regular" household style three-prong 120 Volt AC socket, with an additional " \ / " style 12 Volt 8.3 Amp DC socket below, into which a handy set of included jumper style cables can be plugged for direct battery charging or whatever. It also comes with a little toolkit (spark plug wrench, srewdriver, wrench), an extra sparkplug (which I plan to replace with a suitable NGK, Champion or Autolite anyhow), a handy oil filler thing, an oil drain pipe tool, and a manual that earnestly advises the user, "Do not operate with web hands"...by which, I am sure the manual's author Hung Far Low or whomever must have meant "wet hands." Still, as a longtime amphibian, I can easily appreciate and respect either dictum. A little googling should clear up any other technical questions one may have. Suffice it to say that although I've only had it a week or so, I am awfully damned pleased I just happened to stumble on to it, and at such a mindnumbingly low price. I fully expect that once word gets out a little more generally about these superb Ramsond units to the RVing and sailing/cruising communities, who'll prize that 30 Amp shore power facilty and its fuss-free electric start, many more folks will be bidding them up. So, grab one now!

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:22 am
by npsrangerchuck
I wonder how the noise level compares to my little Generac i2200. Piece of junk came out of the box not running worth a toot but, after a warranted carb replacement, purrs right along. You've certainly gotten my attention with this one (and good on ya for downloading a decibel meter app!).....

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 1:03 pm
by FlyboyTR
I have the harbor freight Predator suitcase style generator. It really is hard to call it portable when you consider its weight. From day one it started on the 20th pull (per the instructions). I have used it a total of 1.8 hours. I used it last about 3 weeks ago. Turned the fuel off (non-ethanol) and let it run till it died. I have not been able to get it restarted since. Ended up hurting my arm from pulling on the cord. Not real happy with this.

I may have to watch Craigslist for a $600 Honda suitcase model. OH...thanks for the sparkplug tip. When I get it up on the bench and open it up, I will check the plug.

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:40 pm
by Highlander
nope
front panel says 18amp max !!!

J 8)

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:25 pm
by Catigale
The electrical engineer In me cringes at the thought of running an internal combustion engine to power a resistive heat load, even a coffe maker.

Gotta go scram the reactor to charge my IPod......

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:11 pm
by Russ
Is it really electric start?

How much does the thing weigh?

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:17 pm
by RobertB
Is it a modified sine wave or true sine wave AC? Modified sine wave can play havoc with any device using the AC wave for timing. Also, what is the efficiency rating? Are repair parts available easily if it breaks down?

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:24 pm
by Highlander
I,d think there would be no warranty or parts avail for the invisible electric start & 30amp marine connection !!!! :o :wink:

J 8)

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:17 am
by RGF
If you look at the control panel in the picture you can see the cover labeled 30A and the key electric start is all the way to the right... :?

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:21 am
by bahama bound
I have loved my Honda 1000 ,was tempted many times many times to buy other generators but personally I'm glad I waited but I wanted to be able to run a/c for longer periods of time .it pulls a/c with no problem on eco mode .and quiet .......

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:43 am
by kmclemore
bahama bound wrote:I have loved my Honda 1000 ,was tempted many times many times to buy other generators but personally I'm glad I waited but I wanted to be able to run a/c for longer periods of time .it pulls a/c with no problem on eco mode .and quiet .......
^^ What he said. ^^

I love my little Honda 1000... you definitely get what you pay for. Dead-on reliable, very quiet & light and it's easy to get parts and accessories. The 2000 is slightly heavier and a wee bit more bulky, but it's the same db and the same 12v output... the advantage is that it will run more power-hungry stuff like table saws and such.

As my dad always said to me, buy the best tools you can afford - you'll never regret it. And he was right.

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 5:37 am
by dlandersson
Big need for table saws, etc, on your Mac? :P
kmclemore wrote:
bahama bound wrote:I have loved my Honda 1000 ,was tempted many times many times to buy other generators but personally I'm glad I waited but I wanted to be able to run a/c for longer periods of time .it pulls a/c with no problem on eco mode .and quiet .......
^^ What he said. ^^

I love my little Honda 1000... you definitely get what you pay for. Dead-on reliable, very quiet & light and it's easy to get parts and accessories. The 2000 is slightly heavier and a wee bit more bulky, but it's the same db and the same 12v output... the advantage is that it will run more power-hungry stuff like table saws and such.

As my dad always said to me, buy the best tools you can afford - you'll never regret it. And he was right.

Re: Good Cheap Generators: Harbor Freight & Ramsond Sinemate

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:52 pm
by kmclemore
dlandersson wrote:Big need for table saws, etc, on your Mac? :P
No, but then I don't just use it on the boat. Frankly, I use it almost like you use an extension cord... I carry it to jobs all around the outside of the house, to power tools for Eagle Scout projects and even on camping trips.