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Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 9:41 am
by mastreb
Whipsyjac wrote:The primary inside joke is that Mastreb replaced his :macm: with a larger but somehow still inferior :wink: Beneteau Oceanis which cost as much as 10 Macs for the sole benefit of a factory cleat amidship and a nicer Hasp on the companionway.
So this quote on Neo's cleat post got me laughing, but also seriously thinking especially about the trade-offs of moving to basically any other boat.

We went to a Beneteau Rally with 60 other owners at Two Harbors, which is 84nm from San Diego. Firstly, It took us 12:30 minutes to motor there at WOT. We couldn't sail because we were dead into irons, current, and wind (typical for Catalina--we've never sailed there from San Diego, only back). On the MacGregor, this is a five-hour trip including the stop in Oceanside to refuel if done at WOT. There's a HUGE difference between five hours of motoring and nearly 13 when you've got three bored teens aboard. A solid hour of this time is caused by the requirement to go completely around a large kelp forest at the end of Point Loma, which the Mac can power right over boards up, taking 8 miles off the trip length.

This also meant that by the time we'd arrived, Two Harbors ran out of "Big Boat" moorings. Small boat moorings are more numerous and still available. Fortunately we were with a group and so we rafted up next to a gracious friend, but we were at the very end of the string of moorings and just 30' from the shore rocks. (Mooring E10, for those who know the field). Getting in was fine and rafting up was easy.

The next day, Our friends went racing so we came off to let them out and go fuel up, with $200 worth of Diesel (Problem #2: Half the range, twice the consumption). Station keeping in the narrow fairway waiting for the fuel dock to clear amidst the kayakers, paddle boarders, and dinghies was a bit harrowing, but I won't say that a Mac would have handled it any more deftly. We took up the mooring this time, and they rafted outside of us upon their return.

The problem came when we left: When we dropped the mooring, and despite actually waiting for the hawser to fall to the ground (because we hooked the keel up on the sand line last time we moored in two harbors) when we pulled off I still caught the riser line to the mooring buoy in the starboard rudder. I didn't notice it until after I'd powered off (because we were so close to the rocks I couldn't wait to drift) and it caught the boat and rotated us directly around and swung our bow towards the boat next to us.

FORTUNATELY one of the couples on that charter were sleeping on the top-deck and the guy heard us and was able to jump up and fend our anchor and roller off of their lifelines, where it otherwise would have certainly gotten hooked up. Actually that would have been a reasonable result, considering that it would have stopped us and kept us from drifting into the rocks, but in any case, it wouldn't have been good.

Clear water, my wife's deft work with a boat hook, and a good read of the current and helm got it right off and we swung away without further incident, but it could have gone much, much worse if the line had wrapped the prop or the current had swung us into the rocks instead of the boat next to us.

Of course I spent the entire time cursing the lack of kick-up rudders, daggerboards, and lifting outdrives.

You give up a lot when you give up a Mac. I was tired of trailering, but frankly slipping a Mac is easy and I'd recommend considering doing that for a season if you're thinking about another boat. Removing the rig and going trawler is also a solid recommendation if you're thinking about going to a power boat.

The things I wouldn't give up about the big boat: Warm water, inside shower, flush toilet, roller-furling mainsail, and of course the dual hasps on the companionway door.

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:12 pm
by Whipsyjac
DUAL HASPS!!!! :o :o :o :o :o

Need pics of those Bad Boys!

Thanks for taking my jest so well. I appreciate the knowledge and honesty you've shared in your posts and look forward to them.

As far as slow boats are concerned(no I'm not touting the Mac's superiority) friends of ours just bought a Pacific Seacraft 25ft sloop. It has classic lines and a tiller. I'm never sure how to say this but they did a big cruise over 100NM from point of purchase to their new home marina. They made a best headway of 4.5kts with their little diesel(which they fear needs a rebuild due to oil consumption) and a best 3.5kts in 8 kts wind under broad reach with an Asymetrical Spinnaker. I went out later that week with a friend and we were making 5kts in 10kt winds. My friends boat needs 12kt + wind to hit hull speed. Headroom is also a big or is it little issue. They do have a trailer, but it looks like it needs a Mack Truck to pull it.

Your Beneteau is a beauty of a boat and whenever I show my teens something like that(usually by mistake) they are very keen on separate staterooms. I think I might go to a cat though, like a Gemini with Kick up boards :wink: for the shallow anchorages here and in the Inside Passage.

You didn't describe the sail home.....how was it?

Willy

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:11 am
by fishheadbarandgrill
Today I drive 7 hrs to VA to observe a survey on a Catalina 380 which I have on contract to buy. We had several "wants" in our next boat. The two most important where...

1) The Admiral wanted to be able to be able to stand up when she changed clothes (in other than the 2' X 4' footprint at the bottom of the companionway ladder)
2) I wanted to be able to pee standing up.

All other amenities such as a big ass cockpit, showers, etc... are simply nice to have's... :D :D :D

We're very excited about the new to us boat and already have a friend who is excited to join the Mac family with our :macm:

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:23 pm
by mastreb
Trip home was great--we motorsailed because we had to make 7 knots consistently, but since we were with the wind this time, it took 11 gallons less to make a slightly better time. Being with the wind and the swells of course makes a huge difference in terms of sea comfort, and it didn't rain this time which helped.

We got to the fuel dock in San Diego 15m before it closed, and then made it into our slip right at dusk so timing was perfect. 12:15 to get home from Two Harbors.

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:45 am
by beene
Thanks for posting all this great info

Good to hear from someone who has insight into both worlds

Helps other with similar decisions to make

G

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:41 am
by Paul S
have been dual boating since 2009 when we got our 1968 Ohlson 38

Of the 2, the bigger boat wins in every respect. The Mac wins in the areas which we bought it for in the first place (variety of sailing locations, shallow draft, low purchase price, low ongoing costs, etc)

But sailing and comfort, yea, the big boat wins every time...but at a cost (time, dollars, etc)

If you can make the Boston boat show next year, you can attend my seminar on the topic!

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:36 am
by Catigale
By far the best combination is to own the Mac, fit it to your needs, and have friends with keelboats in interesting places..

:D :D :D

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:51 pm
by innervations
Catigale +1
:D

Re: 1: Superiority of the MacGregor - & 2:standing up

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:58 pm
by Max Entropy
Sailed on a big(well - Herreschoff 56', bigger than an M, anyway) boat to the South Seas once; first thing aboard, skipper introduces me to the head - 'NOBODY on THIS boat pee's standing up.'. At that moment I recalled a sign in in a gas station restroom while hitch-hiking through southern Alberta in the 60's - 'We aim to please; you aim too, please.'

:idea: !! Point taken. :)

Ah, well, masculinity has to bend once in a while... - what do they call such a performer in dear old Deutschland? A Sitzpinkler? - Great language, German.

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:56 pm
by Sumner
Max Entropy wrote:... 'NOBODY on THIS boat pee's standing up.'. ...
On a side note, once you are old, sitting down is a good idea, since you get too tired standing there waiting to get done :( :( ,

Sum

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Re: 1: Superiority of the MacGregor - & 2:standing up

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:20 am
by dlandersson
:D
Max Entropy wrote:Sailed on a big(well - Herreschoff 56', bigger than an M, anyway) boat to the South Seas once; first thing aboard, skipper introduces me to the head - 'NOBODY on THIS boat pee's standing up.'

Re: 1: Superiority of the MacGregor - & 2:standing up

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:43 am
by Paul S
dlandersson wrote::D
Max Entropy wrote:Sailed on a big(well - Herreschoff 56', bigger than an M, anyway) boat to the South Seas once; first thing aboard, skipper introduces me to the head - 'NOBODY on THIS boat pee's standing up.'
There is a good reason not to pee standing up on a bigger boat that is underway! Being tossed from one side of the boat to the other when the boat hits a wave is not a fun thing to do!

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:27 am
by Retcoastie
Amen, Sumner.

Re: 1: Superiority of the MacGregor - & 2:standing up

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:59 am
by mastreb
Paul S wrote:
dlandersson wrote::D
Max Entropy wrote:Sailed on a big(well - Herreschoff 56', bigger than an M, anyway) boat to the South Seas once; first thing aboard, skipper introduces me to the head - 'NOBODY on THIS boat pee's standing up.'
There is a good reason not to pee standing up on a bigger boat that is underway! Being tossed from one side of the boat to the other when the boat hits a wave is not a fun thing to do!
Worse yet is standing over the head, braced side to side not moving because you've thought about it, and then watching your stream curve over the side of the bowl as the boat suddenly rolls. Sitzpinkling is now the rule on my boat too :-)

Re: Superiority of the MacGregor

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:34 pm
by Highlander
A good mag. with lots of photogenic material like pink flamingo,s stripped of their feather,s multinational multicultural bird,s of all flair hangin in the head will result in most guy,s sittin on the seat ,Mmm Peaches come,s to mind , but all blossoms r a sight for my sore & tired eye,s , Oh to be young again !! :) :P

J :wink: