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stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 7:53 pm
by kevinnem
Hello all, hoping to redo- the kitchen thing soon.

really thinking about the sink and stove. I don't really like the sink much, plastic? uck ... and the stove I have, never seen it work, it is the original orinago alcohol stove, .. and the "temperature control" is 1/2 melted.

I find it really hard to source alcohol though I am told you can burn the automotive "heet" stuff.. Thinking about picking up a butane stove. the cans can be stored in cockpit, or anchor locker and only brought in when needed , then removed.
http://www.princessauto.com/pal/en/Camp ... /8254658.p

thoughts?

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 8:34 pm
by Highlander
I have two of these in my boat one built into the galley & the other for cooking out doors like on a picnic table or other , I have a gas / fume alert built into my boat that detects several gasses & fumes butane, propane , including battery so it is not big deal to use it in the cabin their r more expensive one's that come with a thermal switch that turns off the butane if it detects no heat like the flame going out if u were to turn the flame down too low & it went out , but u should not be leaving any open flame alone on a boat like BBQ OR THE LIKES !! JUST COMMON SENSE

J 8)

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:09 pm
by yukonbob
Replaced the entire countertop and put in a SS bar sink with new Whale flipper pump. Did a galvanized insert to friction fit a Coleman 'green monster' white gas stove. It slides end to end about two and a half inches to access the back burner adjustment while being able to 'size' the area of the burner to accommodate larger pots & pans. Two burner great flame control, field tested for the last 60 years, parts everywhere (the three that there are on it) and Coleman does make a dual fuel that can burn gasoline as well as white gas. Non pressurized so easier fuel storage. Can take it out and use it on the dock, beach, during the off season ect ect ect. The areas beside the fuel tank are a great place to put spices, wine bottles, pretty much whatever when the stove is not in use. Still trying to find a large enough cutting board to cover the whole thing.

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:27 pm
by Whipsyjac
Kevin,

I was totally at a loss with the Origo stove. I did research and asked a lot of questions.

First you can burn Methyl Hydrate absolutely safe it just puts out a few less BTUs than stove alcohol. Methyl hydrate is sold at gas stations and HOME DEPOT(or any paint store). HOME DEPOT has 4l jugs(in the paint department by the thinners) for about $10. That's enough to last a whole season or more. Boat Alcohol burns hotter but it's grain alcohol versus wood(methyl hydrate). Because boat alcohol is from grain they have to add something so you don't drink it(denaturing) this makes some brands smell funny when you're cooking, Methyl Hydrate is cheaper and there's no funny smell when cooking.

The temperature control slider is just a "snuffer" that slides across the flame not a big deal if the knob is melted. The one thing I have to try to remember is there's a rubber circle that covers the fuel when not in use. You have to open the lid and take it out before using. I damaged mine by opening the snuffer and sticking the BBQ lighter in, it didn't light and I started to smell burning rubber. It just stops the gas from evaporating when not in use.

After figuring out how to use it properly I'm very happy with it. The only drawback in my mind is the flame can be hard to see. Non pressurized alcohol is very safe, the alcohol fumes are lighter than air and spills evaporate quickly.

If you don't have instructions try to get some they'll come in handy

I'll probably upgrade to a two burner Origo since the cost of use is so low and recycling a plastic gallon jug is a cinch versus disposable propane and butane metal containers. Also the plastic jugs are easy to store and wont rust. I keep mine in the port fuel locker beside my 3rd 6gal tank.

Give it a try or two you might find it suits your needs fine.

Willy

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:56 am
by Tomfoolery
My boat came with that butane stove, and a bunch of fuel canisters. It's a very popular stove. Mine was pretty rusted, so I tossed it, but new ones are as cheap as $13 in the States, but prices for the same stove are all over the place. http://www.webstaurantstore.com/portabl ... E10SL.html I'll be getting another one when I get around to it.

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Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:02 am
by bahama bound
Mine has a two burner propane stove .it has a aluminum propane bottle about the size of a gallon milk jug that has lasted at least 2 years .works great .funny I almost took it out ! But now I wouldn't trade it for anything !

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 4:25 pm
by nedmiller
We have a two burner Origo & are very happy with it. Much safer than pressurized gas stove. Remember, in a boat, heavier than air gases like propane sink and can't leak to the outside like in a camper. The gas can build up in the bottom of the boat & explode.
We buy alcohol in any big box lumber/hardware like Lowes--paint section. Actually has marine fuel printed on can.

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 5:04 pm
by Boblee
I agree Ned, ours is only a one burner origo and slower than the butane stoves which we keep as spares both in the truck and boat but we use our origo for at least 3 months each year on a daily basis when travelling, even picked up a two burner butane stove from a rest stop going up the centre of aust but it stays home for local camping.

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 5:18 pm
by DaveB
We use same type of butane for sink mounted, we use propane skilit on table for breakfast (homefries, bacon,ham and eggs)
We use the propane magelian on cockpit floor with propane for steaks,
All are 1 lb containers and no woories about gas leaks in cabin as they are so small they don't leak much if any.
Even if they leaked a full 1lb container, never case a explosion.
Butane/Propane has the highest BTU's . Both are heavier than air compared to USCG that is lighter than air. Alchole has the lowest BTU's rating.

Dave


kevinnem wrote:Hello all, hoping to redo- the kitchen thing soon.

really thinking about the sink and stove. I don't really like the sink much, plastic? uck ... and the stove I have, never seen it work, it is the original orinago alcohol stove, .. and the "temperature control" is 1/2 melted.

I find it really hard to source alcohol though I am told you can burn the automotive "heet" stuff.. Thinking about picking up a butane stove. the cans can be stored in cockpit, or anchor locker and only brought in when needed , then removed.
http://www.princessauto.com/pal/en/Camp ... /8254658.p

thoughts?

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 10:40 am
by Three Gypsies
We have a two burner Origino alcohol stove and love it ! It cooks great , the heat is easy to control and alcohol is a safe fuel onboard . An alcohol fire can be put out with water .
Stove alcohol can be bought in any Wal-Mart or hardware store . Look in the paint supplies . The same alcohol used for paint stripping can be used as stove fuel .

We stay on our boat for up to eight months at a time and besides the BBQ grill the alcohol stove is our only stove. An alcohol stove IMHO cooks about the same as a propane stove but with out the dangers of propane gas . A fill up lasts us about a week of normal cooking .

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 10:50 am
by Three Gypsies
For reasons unknown to me , Alcohol is the preferred fuel for cooking meth .

So the only drawback to a marine alcohol stove is the funny looks you get when you buy several gallons of fuel , when stocking up for a cruise .

I usually come out with it and say we aren't meth heads , but sailors . One shop keeper said He didn't care what we did with as long as we buy it from him ! :)

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:08 am
by azav8tor
Just buy denatured alcohol at any hardware store. It is cheap, and works great.

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:58 am
by Steve K
I like the Alcohol stove. I have a two burner top mount and would like a two burner flush mount.

So, if any of you fellows are changing to another type of stove and have a two burner, flush mount, Alcohol stove, I would be interested in buying a good working used one. (for the right price)
PM me :wink:

Home Depot is where I get the Alcohol for mine. I've never noticed any smells.

Best Breezes,
Steve K

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 5:18 pm
by Boblee
Three Gypsies wrote:For reasons unknown to me , Alcohol is the preferred fuel for cooking meth .

So the only drawback to a marine alcohol stove is the funny looks you get when you buy several gallons of fuel , when stocking up for a cruise .

I usually come out with it and say we aren't meth heads , but sailors . One shop keeper said He didn't care what we did with as long as we buy it from him ! :)
Yeah usually have to ask for it at the front counter here if there is a local indigenous population who use it for the cheap alcohol content but got me beat why they would drink it, also have to buy Opel fuel which is not good for sniffing and not good for motors either, we are the king of nanny countries now.

Re: stove types, alternatives to alcohol?

Posted: Wed May 28, 2014 8:53 am
by mike uk
Unpressurised burner = very safe. Yes.

Infallible? No.

We know of a very serious accident involving an Origo stove - so read the instructions before use and always follow them.

The accident was caused by topping up the fuel when the cooker was still warm. In such circumstances it is possible for the fuel to ignite whilst being poured in.

The canister should always be removed from the cooker for filling - best done on deck.

A good tip is to place your hand over the canister "wick" just to confirm it is cold (the guy who had the accident didn't know someone else had used the cooker just before him).

I am very pleased with my Origo single burner which is inset into the worktop and has a hinged black glass lid.

Mike