On Magregor's factory page - 26M vs Edge comparison

[Paul S]

In case anyone hasn't visited the factory page in a while....they did a comparison ofthe edge vs 26M

Good reading. Only error I could find is the edge can carry more fuel than stated (there IS space for 2 12 gallon tanks). But very close to my impression when I saw it. many things I found were left out (on both sides)

It didn't really get into that the edge fit and finish, tolerances, etc is 10X better than the 26M. My impression of the edge was it was very well made and finished. Our M was finished and assembled by drunk monkeys.

It mentions that the hatch is smaller on the edge, but failed to mention that a regular size person can not fit through the edge's hatch but easily can on the M.

Fail to mention the VERY nice rudder the edge has. And that it won't get damaged if left up and you hit something (like docking, rafting, etc ) if/when you lose control for a moment or 2 or your steering goes out (happened 2x on us!). The rudder can be raised partway like a dagger board on the edge unlike the mac.

also failed to mention the opening ports on the edge which is a nice touch.

Good, but biased (of course, since it is macgregor..lol). I agree with 90% of the page

http://www.macgregor26.com/compare_with ... r_edge.htm

Paul

[Boblee]

Only scanned the thread on the hunter earlier but couldn't see how they were a serious competitor and after looking at the link here and layed out like that my opinion hasn't changed one bit.
For some it may suit but for versatility the Mac is so far ahead it's not funny.

[Paul S]

when you see the boat in person, it does impress overall.

Agree, the mac is still best for our need, i wouldnt trade our boat for the edge anytime soon.

It is still too heavy and wide for what we need. But it still an outstanding value price/build quality/equipment.

I know most of us look at Macgregor through rose colored glasses. My pair was taken from me when we took delivery, and could not have been more disappointed on the fit and finish.

Just wanted to point out that the factory put a 26m vs edge on their page. Not sure how good of a business move it is, as many potential owners will find the link and not even know the edge exists til they see it on the Mac factory page! If i were a potential new owner, i would no doubt go look at the edge and see how much better they are put together and potentially steal a sale away from Macgregor.

Knowing what I know now, I would still get an 04M, but also the drama with the purchase and warranty claims with the dealer left a sour taste in my mouth and would not take a lot to consider another brand as well.

If the edge was lighter, less beamy, and had a bigger front hatch, was lower in the trailer like a Mac, and a bit less expensive, it would not take much to, no pun intended, jump ship to it.

Macgregor still has the market cornered, but the gap is closing in just the same

[Terry]

I didn't realize the factory was now endorsing/recommending a 60HP engine, thought it was allways 50HP!
Still wish Macgregor went with 8'6" beam and dismissed the renegade states that still have the ancient 8' limit.
The tow vehicle will have an influence on buyers.
It may be possible to ship a Mac to your favourite spot but a bit cost prohibitive on any regular basis.
Not sure the Mac main & genoa is 506 sq. ft, mine is 376 sq. ft.
Lack of traveller and vang on Edge is valid, I'd want them.
You can lose your camera and stuff out the stern of both boats, the transom piece is an extra option on the mac, I had to put one in.
One should be able to empty ballast while underway, not sure why the Edge does not.
I'd have to see the Edge to make a fair judgement, but price is still a factor as is tow vehicle.

[Paul S]

the weight/beam of the edge, I think makes it more 'transportable' than trailerable. It is at the limit, or most likely over, the tow limit of most vehicles

Even though I consider the edge a better 'value' (price/equipment/quality) than the Mac, we would not be in boating if it were not for the Mac. Price savings is huge (about half or so) of the edge. There are still a few deal breakers on the edge that are huge to me, but could be less important to other sailors.

[dennisneal]

Terry,

As I understand things, the factory's recommendation of a maximum 50 HP engine was based upon weight distribution and the strength of the transom engine mounts. The Evinrude E-tec 50 HP and 60 HP engines weigh the same, allowing the factory to increase the recommended horsepower to 60.

[KayakDan]

Haven't seen the real thing yet,just the website stuff,but I don't see the Edge being for me. The trailerable issue is the dealbreaker. If I need an F-350 to drag this thing down the road,now I'm in real serious money,on top of laying out $40k plus(likely 45-50 before it's all dressed). If I'm going to spend that kind of money,I'd drop it on a nice older keelboat,and get another 10 ft of boat. Of course I'm probably going to be in my boat for 40K before it's done-but that's the point-I'll be done outfitting it
The edge appears to be in a slightly different market than the Mac,and I'm sure it's the perfect boat for a lot of people,but I'll just keep my Mac. I'd rather spend the rest of the money in the Bahamas!

[Paul S]

Having the factory compare itself on their own website may not be the best thing in the world, IMO.

When i was looking at cars in 92. I looked at the Taurus..the salesman constantly compared itself to the Accord... I went to look at a toyota.. again..this dealer kept comparing itself to the Accord.. I am like... whats up with the Accord I probably wouldnt have gone to look at it if it were not for these 2 dealers comparing themselves to the Accord. I can see this happening with the Mac

I see a lot of deal breakers with the edge.. but the size/weight is a huge deal breaker.. No doubt there is a market for a slightly plus-size mac clone.

[DaveB]

Paul, I bought a new tandum aluminum trailer 8-6 wide and would love to see Rodger come out with a new 26.5 (put the extra 4 inches in Vberth and 4 inches in salon) with 8-6 beam,4 inches on each side would do wonders for the cabin and the boat should be more stable. I would also like to see 1-1/2" strakes about 6 ft. long for better tracking at the hull bottom and less leeway.
The Edge in my opion is not a Trailer sailer because of the weight and to haul that weight with full ballest up a ramp would require a big 4x4 truck or suv.
Dave

[2BonC]

There are other boats very similar to the MGs on the European Market e.g. the Odin
I have sailed this boat on the Lago di Garda in Italy, it was very impressive. By this time I had a and compared to that.
Now since I have a it doesn´t impress me that much anymore!
I was told the following story how this boat came on the market:
Years ago, when the joined the market a German Mc Gregor dealer (I know him in person) was complaining about the quality and some features of the MG-products. He made many suggestions to improve as well the quality as some functions of the but the MG factory ignored them at all. The dealer was frustated and decided to build his own boat. One was delivered to a Polish shipyard (it was prior to the fall of the Iron Curtain) and under his advise this shipyard was building the first prototype of this boat very similar to the . This developement improved with the time to the Odin 820 .
Have a look on this pictures.




I think even this pictures give an impression about the increased quality.
However I must say that this have it´s price. This boat is more expensive than the :
To compare the prices in Germany for the naket boats they are:
McGregor 26x about 30 000,- € (45 000,-US $) (It is delivered with the US-trailer but it´s not allowed to use this trailer on German roads)
Odin 820 nova about 37 000,- € (55 000,-US $)

In addition the trailor will be about 3000,-€ (4500,-US$), A 90 hp engine about 9000,-€ (13 000,-US$)
You won´t beleave that if You compare to the prices to them in the USA, so I do. If You ask how we can efford this, we can´t, but we have to!!!
I made the attempt to buy a directly in the USA and ship it on my own, the MG-company denied to sell one directly to me or give me the address of a MG- dealer who would do so!

[Paul S]

The Edge in my opion is not a Trailer sailer because of the weight and to haul that weight with full ballest up a ramp would require a big 4x4 truck or suv.
Dave

That has been my point all along. It is more 'transportable' than trailerable. It is on the high end of what most consumer trucks can pull. No doubt my rover could do it(9k# trailering capacity) but most trucks i see pulling Macs would be very taxed if it had to deal with the edge. But it IS possible.

No idea how easy/hard it is to raise the mast/rig the boat compared to the Mac. I can't imagine it is THAT hard.

[Phillip]

A MacGregor at 8'6" beam will effectively kill MacGregors export market.
They would be shipped on a Flat Rack at approx 2x the price of current method + increase costs in pack etc.

If you can look at the positives in the MacGregor, then you may come to realise it is a very clever design meeting many different needs very well.

Cheers
Phillip

[Terry]

MadMariner's version
http://madmariner.com/vessels/power_rev ... _103008_VP

[delevi]

At first I though it was a step up from the Mac, but not so much anymore. Just looking at the pictures, the boat looks a bit cheezy. Probably sails about the same, maybe a bit better with more weight and more sail area. Motors about the same provide equal HP. Raising/lowering the rudder seems like a bit of a chore. Having an extra 2 feet length and nearly a foot more beam would be nice, though the interior configurations seem infreior the Personally I like the heavier aspect of this boat. May actually be more stable. Since I already drive a gas-guzzling SUV, the weight wouldn't be an issue. But what's up with the 6 gallon fuel capacity? For a motor sailor, that's a joke. Looks like Hunter seem to think that people who buy this boat would only use it for lake sailing. Or maybe an oversight on Hunter's part.... figuring that a 28 footer can go all day on 6 gallons. They probably forgot that it's not using a kicker. At the end of the day, I would guess the two boats are fairly comparable... though with the lower price tag, Roger still comes out ahead.

Cheers,
L.

[Paul S]

At first I though it was a step up from the Mac, but not so much anymore. Just looking at the pictures, the boat looks a bit cheezy. Probably sails about the same, maybe a bit better with more weight and more sail area. Motors about the same provide equal HP. Raising/lowering the rudder seems like a bit of a chore. Having an extra 2 feet length and nearly a foot more beam would be nice, though the interior configurations seem infreior the Personally I like the heavier aspect of this boat. May actually be more stable. Since I already drive a gas-guzzling SUV, the weight wouldn't be an issue. But what's up with the 6 gallon fuel capacity? For a motor sailor, that's a joke. Looks like Hunter seem to think that people who buy this boat would only use it for lake sailing. Or maybe an oversight on Hunter's part.... figuring that a 28 footer can go all day on 6 gallons. They probably forgot that it's not using a kicker. At the end of the day, I would guess the two boats are fairly comparable... though with the lower price tag, Roger still comes out ahead.

Cheers,
L.

The boat is far more impressive in person than it is in pictures.

Raising/lowering the rudder is far easier (less effort) by a big margin than the M, which was the reason I put blocks on my rudder line and posted a mod here how to do it. Plus you can feather the rudder, as it retracts like a daggerboard, and doesn't stick out the back creating a delicate potential breaking point as it sticks out a few feet behind the boat like the M.

There are 2 very big (about the size of the M, but I didn't measure) areas for fuel tanks, I would guestimate both, combined, would be about 24 gallons. I suspect the 6 (or 12 gallon that has been mentioned) is, is what is provided by the dealer/mfr, not what the potential capacity is. There is potential (like the M) to carry a lot of fuel.

The hunter does offer (as I mentioned) far better fit and finish, and is a better value, overall (based on base equipment, fit, finish, warranty, etc) than the Mac. That said, it falls flat on a couple HUGE areas (heavier, beamier, launching, tiny forehatch, etc)

When you board the edge, the first thing you notice that is is not nearly as bad as the pictures give the impression of.

The Mac (shocking I know) generally is the best boat for members of this board. (ie preaching to the choir) Not to mention the factory page comparing them is biased (again, shocking, as they sell a competitor! LOL)

My original post was about the factory posting a mac vs edge page on their website. I didn't intend the thread to be another 'Mac vs edge' thread, as there is already a Mac vs Edge post on the forum.