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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:09 pm
by pokerrick1
What in the hull - - - - IS THAT :?: :?: :?: ^

Rick :) :macm:

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:26 pm
by NiceAft
You've never seen John's pony :macm: :?:

Ray

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:54 pm
by delevi
Terry,

As far as Pentex, it all depends on your wind range. If you frequently see winds over 15 kts, it's an excellent choice. The shape holding ability of these sails is remarkable. Of course, it'll cost you. As far as longevity, you have to consider several things. Most light dacron sails will blow out long before the actual cloth breaks down from UV. Basically it stretches out to the point where the sail is nearly useless. The beauty of the high-tech tri-lam sails is their resistance to stretching. Quantum doesn't really know how long their Fusion X sails last, since they have only been around a few years. My hunch is that the K-H pentex sail is lighter duty than my Q sails, which is ok with me, since I just ordered a genoa. When I receive it, I'll let you know how it compares. The price is significantly less than Q. As for the North (Norlam) I actually considered these sails. They were intially a bit less money than the Q sails, until the Q-rep made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Basically got them for the same price as the Norlam, but much more sail for the buck. Here is the difference.
Fusion X: Milar sail with pentex grids evenly distributed throughout the sail, not jus the load path as with UK-Tapedrives. The milar & pentex is then enclosed by two layers of Tafeta (very light Dacron.) My theory is these exterior layers will give the sail much longevity with the strenght of dacron and the stretch resistance of the mylar/pentex.
Norlam: Same sail without the pentex grids. Probably heavier Mylar. If it's the same money, it's a no-brainer in my opinion. The Q-pentex are close to the North 3-DL which is their top of the line sail, but very expensive and not available for masts under 40 feet.
Back to K-H. If their pentex sail is reasonably comparable to the Q sails, it's a great way to go. Priced at half of what the Q sails retail for. I didn't pay retail, but couldn't get the price today that I paid last year.
OTOH, you will probably be very happy with the C2000 line, especially if your prevalent conditions are moderate. Either way, it is truly difficult to discern how much added benefit one gets from high-end sails on a Mac. Personally, I think there is plenty, but I have to contend with 20-35 knots wind on a regular basis. If I didn't, I would probably go with a nice quality set of Dacron sails. Just my 5 cents worth.

On edit:
One more thing to think about if you are seriously considering the pentex sails. You will be virtually forced to also get some sort of sail handling system, like the dutchman or lazy jacks. The sail has plenty of volue (it's thick) and would be hard to manage on the boom. The dutchman takes care of this and actually works really well with this type of sail, however, you're talking about anothe $600 and it is a sail loft job. Not sure if K-H does this sort of work... I'm sure Art would tell you. Hopefully you recall the pics I posted of my mainsail on the boom. I would re-post, but I took everything down due to you know who.

Leon

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:57 pm
by beene
This one is my FAV...

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G

Pony

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:33 pm
by pokerrick1
No - - - had never seen John's pony :)

Must be Canadian :?

Rick :) :macm:

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:34 am
by Highlander
Terry

Don't know if you seen these before

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J

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:52 am
by NiceAft
John said:
I only put out a small worm
Aren't there doctors who can fix that :?: :D :P

Sorry! I only recently started viewing the post, and went backwards at that. I just couldn't resist lightening things up.

Ray

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:45 am
by Highlander
Ah, Ray

Is'nt it the little worm that enticed the "big Fish" :!: :D :) :P :wink:

Anyway Doc' said not to worry many a wee worm has a big tail so to tell !!! :o :D :P :wink:

J

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:14 am
by Highlander
Rick

The Pony :macm:

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Terry
you can see the second set of genny tracks on the cockpit gunwhales

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Terry

2 sets of 4ft genny tracks 4 winches

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J

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:10 am
by Highlander
beene wrote:This one is my FAV...

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Only because the cooler can sit right at the base of the pedestal !! :D :P :wink:

J.

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:39 pm
by beene
You guessed it J :wink:

All I remember from sitting on your 19 was being able to reach the cooler while topping up the Vodka till 1-2-3.... in the AM 8)

G


PS
We were tied up at the slip of course. :P

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:32 pm
by delevi
OK, back on topic. My latest mod/tweak to the CDI furler works quite nicely. Basically, a small 4:1 block & tackle system is installed at the base of the furler, just above the drum, used to tension the furler's internal halyard. The tack of the headsail is shackled directly to the furler's shackle, and the other shackle for the halyard is shackled to the block & tackle which stays there. The end of the haylard is attached or unattached to the block & tackle. This allows to ease halyard tension when sail is furled, add tension when ready to sail, or really crank it down if it's windy. Just a quick pull of the line adds ample tension with the 4:1 purchase, and the block is self-cleating via v-jam. The blocks are tiny and don't interfere with anything. The excess line from the block & tackle just gets wrapped above the drum, covering the blocks, thus preventing any unnecessary friction between the sail & hardware.

This simple system may open up more options for those shopping for a furler (like Terry) to be able to save some money and go with the Mac Furler or CDI vs. more costly options. Also a nice thing to have for most of us who already have the CDI. If anyone is interested in pics, let me know and I'll take some next time out on the boat. I tested it out and it works great.

Happy Holidays!
Leon

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:18 am
by beene
Sounds great.

Pics please.

.....and when are you coming over to set mine up :?:

:P

G

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:45 am
by delevi
Chicago to Ont late spring??? maybe :o 8) Maybe you'll have the bowsprit by then, so I may be setting up 2 :wink:

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:24 am
by Highlander
delevi wrote:Chicago to Ont late spring??? maybe :o 8) Maybe you'll have the bowsprit by then, so I may be setting up 2 :wink:
Beene !

Hi loose lips have you been discussing our top secret project !!! :idea:
:o :P :wink: :D

Leon !

I hope you been given a level seven secruity clearance on this project :? your lips are now sealed 8) :P :wink:

John