Galley mod from the cup holder thread.

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How do you refill them?
...Never mind. I see them on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Flame-King-YSN1L ... refill+kit

Seems to get good reviews. Interesting product. Seems well made.
Bottles are $17
https://www.amazon.com/Flame-King-YSN16 ... GRHGBC0090



I've seen these refill gadgets that supposedly refill 1lb tanks from a big tank. When I looked into it (because I had several small propane torches), they got bad marks. Folks said they had to put their tank in the freezer or some such thing to get it to "take" the propane and then it didn't fully fill the little 1lb can. Plus, those disposable cans are meant to be...disposable. Not very high quality.

Seapup wrote:
Saw these recently, they are under $20. Brass fitting with vent so you can fill them the whole way and won't rust. The lehr people have had some good reports of them holding up.

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kurz wrote:I recently talked to a professionel chemnistry teacher. And he said that it will practically not be possible to bring enogh CO2 or CO in a boat cabin to get a danger from a alcohol stove.

As long as the cabin is not sealed - what the mac not is.

So I can't say more. Don't know who is right now.

If you make help videos I think they should give better information to you.
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I have a two burner propane stove. One seven thousand BTU burner, and one eleven thousand BTU burner.

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I've seen these refill gadgets that supposedly refill 1lb tanks from a big tank. When I looked into it (because I had several small propane torches), they got bad marks. Folks said they had to put their tank in the freezer or some such thing to get it to "take" the propane and then it didn't fully fill the little 1lb can. Plus, those disposable cans are meant to be...disposable. Not very high quality.
Yeah, I have been refilling the disposable and thats what you have to do, I normally only get about .75 lbs back in them and still throw them away after about a year due to rust or not sealing. I have not tried the refillable ones yet since I went to 10lb bottles, but with a vent the 1lb should fill easily.
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kurz wrote:
sailboatmike wrote:While your there might as well get a CO2 detector for the boat for when you are cooking.

CO2 can build up very quickly if you dont have good ventilation, a few deaths on boats in recent years due to CO2 poisoning
Can you prove this?
The way we use our boats, I don't see CO poisoning to be a big threat. At least not from cooking. However, it's a real danger. I've personally been on slow moving boats where a tailwind caused exhaust to build up. Several of us started feeling dizzy and ill.
My M-I-L recently was feeling ill and had blood tests done. They found abnormal levels of CO in her blood. Puzzled, they called the gas company in and found their gas fireplace was leaking CO like crazy into the room. They had CO detectors that never went off. Gas company said not all CO detectors are made well and all of them have a lifespan and should be replaced every X number of years.


https://www.boatus.org/carbon-monoxide/

I've read of cases where generators running at night without any wind to carry the exhaust caused serious problems. It seems to be common among wake boats and houseboats where swimmers are near the swim platform and exhaust.
"There could be as many as 250 boat-related drownings per year (nationally) that are carbon monoxide poisoning first," says Jane McCammon, one of the scientists who identified the problem.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6602 ... eaths.html

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Case in Minnesota that called for mandatory CO detectors in boats.
http://kstp.com/news/sophias-law-requir ... r/4469616/

Our motors can generate plenty of CO and in the right conditions, those gases can affect occupants.
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NiceAft wrote:I just finished running the gas line from the galley to the engine well. I still need to turn the valve more to face the hole I cut.

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u can glue one of these fittings into the F/G wall with 5200 3M & it,s white then u will not have an sharp edge to chaff the propane line
https://www.lowes.ca/push-fittings/canp ... 437-101rtl

but just like ur fuel lines they should b checked anualy

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Another great idea; a day late, and a dollar short :D

If I need to make a correction in the future, I now have a bunch of terrific solutions. I believe all is well. You can see from the photo that clearance between the gas line and the edge of the opening is quite large. Also, that line does not budge.
I have tested the stove, and there are no leaks. The one problem I did have is the regulator is bad. I called Dickinson, and it's all under warranty. A new regulator is on the way.

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kurz wrote:I recently talked to a professionel chemnistry teacher. And he said that it will practically not be possible to bring enogh CO2 or CO in a boat cabin to get a danger from a alcohol stove.

As long as the cabin is not sealed - what the mac not is.

So I can't say more. Don't know who is right now.

If you make help videos I think they should give better information to you.
The facts are there supported by MANY experts, with due respect I dont think your teacher has any idea what he or she is talking about, maybe you should refer them to the linked articles.

I dont think one persons opinions really make a "body of evidence" against all the proof you have been offered.

At the end of the day it makes little difference to me if you except the FACTS as presented by credible sources with experience specifically in the area of boating as we have pointed out or would rather believe a single chemistry teacher whose experience and knowledge of out size boats is questionable at best
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Sorry, I watched the video in the link. There was no information what exactely happened.

Was it becouse of a gas cooking? Generator? Alohol stove?

The chemistry experts just said with alcohol stove you will not get to enough CO2 and CO to bring you dead in a mac.

In the video the bring just panic but no information.
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When it comes to debating whether a CO detector and a propane detector makes sense, I'm not part of the debate. Give discretion the better part of valor. Getting a safety device is the wise thing to do.

The difference between a smart sailor and a wise sailor, is a smart sailor knows how to get out of situations a wise sailor would not get into in the first place.

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kurz wrote:Sorry, I watched the video in the link. There was no information what exactely happened.

Was it becouse of a gas cooking? Generator? Alohol stove?

The chemistry experts just said with alcohol stove you will not get to enough CO2 and CO to bring you dead in a mac.

In the video the bring just panic but no information.
Having done some more study on the issue, I have found that your chemistry teacher is 100% correct HOWEVER that is until you put a pot or kettle on the stove to heat it.

The issue being that if the flame is left to burn all the fuel completely then the complete combustion will burn off the CO2, BUT as soon as you put a kettle or pan on the stove then the combustion is not complete causing HUGE amounts of CO2, in fact alcohol is worse than gas for creating CO2 in this instance.

The simple answer is to move the pot or kettle up off the flame around 3/4 a inch or more so the fuel has space to combust completely, HOWEVER good luck waiting for your already SLOW alcohol stove to boil your kettle or cook your food, it could take quiet a while.

So lets rephrase the question to
Question "Is it safe to run a alcohol stove in a boat with minimum ventilation?" Answer Possibly, but its not recommended
Question "Is it safe to cook on a alcohol stove on a boat?" Answer NO, Not unless you can ensure total combustion of all the fuel,
Question "Whats is the easiest way to check that fuel is completely burnt and there is no dangerous levels of CO2 when I cook
Answer: With a detector mounted low to the ground as CO2 is heavier than air so will displace it

My teacher told me once that a feather and a 1 ton weight would hit the ground at the same time if dropped from the same height, which is FALSE, until he added in that for this to work it has to be in a perfect vacuum, it all depends on what the question is and if the teacher is willing to give you the parameters in which his answer was given for it to be correct
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Sailboatmike:
Did you mix CO and CO2?
Once I researched these things I looked for a CO2 detector. Coud'nt found. All detectors ("home stile") were CO-detectors.

By the way, newer heard that one died becouse the exhaust gas of burning alcohol stove in a boat...
But this means nothing... But mostly there is wirtten no details about it.
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Let's not confuse the issue any more than it is.

CO2 = carbon dioxide, the gas we exhale and that plants breathe in. It is not poisonous and there are no readily available monitors for it.

CO = carbon monoxide, which is poisonous, can kill in sufficient concentrations, and is a typical by product of combustion.

The extra oxygen molecule makes all the difference.
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Should probably start a new thread, but:

CO is a bad thing, and can get into your boat in more than one way, often when. I have TWO carbon monoxide detectors in the boat: a 12V CO & Propane detector mounted at the deep end of the rear bunk which runs off of the main battery, and a 9V battery-operated one up near the V-berth on the small vertical wall where the floor ends. Neither has ever sounded when we are on a trip, neither under power, nor with the alcohol stove or the deck-mounted barbecue in use. HOWEVER, the rear CO detector has alarmed several times when parked in our slip in the marina. It's never happened while I was there, but I have several times received phone calls from the manager about my boat "beeping" and "please come down and turn it off because the liveaboards are complaining". I don't know what the source of the alarm was those times, when I got there the alarm was still sounding and there was no obvious reason for it.

Very nice galley mod, by the way. I'll do something like that one day, maybe in Corian with molded fiddles, if I can find a company willing to make something like that.

Anyway, the CO and propane detector were probably the easiest mods I have ever done. No excuse not to.
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well the fals alarm ist one of the problematic things with the alram stuff.

I can use my fire alarm for watching my toasts ;-)
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Burnt crispy toast on marmalade with a cuppa java Mmmmm !

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PS false alarm is better than no alarm!
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