Edgestar vs. Engel Freezers

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Re: Edgestar vs. Engel Freezers

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G'day Sumner
From memory ours cost $950 Aust which at the time was probably (5+years ago) $650 US but a Bosch alternator is probably over $300 AU and the motor $4-500 plus time which I didn't have and the auxiliary costs.
Of course I could have made one like a previous one for a farmer mate which used a direct coupled 10 hp motor and two alternators but the motor could also be uncoupled to fit other bits of machinery, pump, air comp and 240v alternator etc.
We mostly use the ampmeter for charging and working out when to change charge rate as this one will stall the motor if the batteries pull more than 50amps so wait until it drops to about 30 (10-15 mins) and then kick it up but pull it off when charging drops to about 8 amps ( unless busy fishing :) )usually unless we have someting else to load it up with or needs charging at the same time eg we turn the fridge up flat out and charge computor and camera batteries etc.
Batteries are not fully charged by the Christy as that is only a bulk charge and really takes only 30-60 mins depending on condition prior, we use the solar to top off with absorb and float charge.
If the outboard motor is started or the solar has been running for a while the batteries just won't accept the full charge from the Christy unit.
Just check the deep cycle batteries before purchasing as they may not be suitable for higher voltage charging and/or may not accept a large amperage in a short period it is also worth noting that if you use 50amps of power you will need to charge approx 1.5 hrs at a full 50 amps to replace it due to losses (25-30%).
Thought about mounting the unit out the back but there is too much there now and besides when camping on land it is kept in the vehicle and realistically it doesn't get used a lot on the boat on the water, in fact we didn't even take it last year (4 months) but did use it this year as we stopped for longer periods on the water.
The Etec and the two 65w solar panels do the job most of the time and even on land we use a supply from the vehicle when travelling to power up the boat inverter and then use it to run a battery charger to (fully) charge the batteries, this in effect sucks the power from the vehicle and delivers 14.5v to the batteries instead of being restricted by voltage drop in the cables, we also run the fridge and anything else flat out while travelling to build up storage as we do when the Etec is running on water.
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Re: Edgestar vs. Engel Freezers

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Boblee wrote:..........on land we use a supply from the vehicle when travelling to power up the boat inverter and then use it to run a battery charger to (fully) charge the batteries, this in effect sucks the power from the vehicle and delivers 14.5v to the batteries instead of being restricted by voltage drop in the cables, we also run the fridge and anything else flat out while travelling to build up storage as we do when the Etec is running on water.
That is a pretty slick method of charging on the road :) . I'm going to have to think a while about the deep cycle batteries to determine if I'm really gaining anything going that way. Since I have the solar and generator/charger I try not to cycle the RV batteries down much each day anyway, so I might not be gaining much and just complicating things. Things work fine now, so maybe I should waste my time on something else.

Thanks for the added info,

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Re: Edgestar vs. Engel Freezers

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Boblee wrote:...but note they are not suitable for deep cycle batteries as they don't accept fast charge.
Just a side note: AGM batteries will accept a fast charge rate due to their low internal resistance. Just another reason to look at AGM Batteries, as well as not needing separate starting battery, non-spillable, no out-gassing, deeper discharge ability, etc.
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Yes I should have put in "some" deep cycle type batteries, it is important to check the particular batteries and construction for suitability for your particular situation.
I got caught several years ago with super 4WD? calcium batteries after two weeks one wouldn't re charge and as I had a fridge full of fish 1500k's from anywhere and further from a dealer of these batteries I rang the manufacturer on the nearest landline and his reply stunned me "oh you will have to remove it and charge it at 16v for 24 hr's as the voltage got too low".
What use is a battery for hard yakka in remote spots if it has to be taken to specialised equipement when for a myriad of reasons it becomes run down (winching).
In the defence of Calcium type batteries they will accept a massive charge very quickly but imho they are not suited for situations where they can be expected to be run down accidently.
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Re: Edgestar vs. Engel Freezers

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antonette93 wrote:For me, I'd rather choose the Engel Freezer because when it comes to the temperature control settings, this refrigerator ensure that it will keep all your food chilled or frozen at your chosen temperature with ice-free operation.
The EdgeStar also has the temperature controls ....

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... you are talking about. The arrows in the picture above point to them. There is an LED that shows the temp and up and down arrows to set it to the temp you want and the LED shows both the current temp and the temp you want when you use the arrows.

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Our Edgestar has been running all summer nonstop on our 80W solar panel. We turn the temp up to 42 when we leave for the week and back down to 34 when onboard.
It's SO nice to not have soggy food.


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Yeah - but now its August, the end of summer in Bozeman...
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Does the fridge put out a lot of hot air? I had one of the 12v heater / coolers and it blew out hot air all the time. Kept the truck warm in the winter. Unacceptable for a boat in hot climates.

I'd like to ditch the ice headache and get one of these. I'd mount it in the cooler space under the aft dinette seat if practicable.
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gyroplanes wrote:Does the fridge put out a lot of hot air? I had one of the 12v heater / coolers and it blew out hot air all the time. Kept the truck warm in the winter. Unacceptable for a boat in hot climates.

I'd like to ditch the ice headache and get one of these. I'd mount it in the cooler space under the aft dinette seat if practicable.
The cheap 12v thermo-electric coolers run almost constantly spewing out hot air and pulling your batteries down. This is a true compressor driven fridge/freezer that does pull the heat out of the box and exhaust it out the side, but only when running. It will need (as any fridge) venting. I've not noticed any extra cabin heat from it.
We mounted ours in next to the M's slide galley in the "seat" that never gets sat on.

Searching the mods you will find peeps who have mounted one in the aft dinette seat with venting. We opted for the larger size fridge and the M doesn't really have an aft seat cooler location.


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I have the 66 quart Edgestar under the dinnet table and there is room for one person on each side to sit, I can't hear it run or feel hot air comeing out except when I put my hand down when it runs against the grill and than it is slightly above cabin air temps.
I live in SW Florida were day temps since beginning of June run up to 95 degrees and water temps 89-91 degrees.
Easy run the unit with all elect. needs for 4 days and still won't get below 50% discharge on twin group house 27 batteries.
I paid $400 and best investment I made. When not cruiseing I keep it pluged in AC thru built in 10 amp battery charger next to house at 38 degrees.
I still use a 55 quart 5 day cooler under the seat for my Beer. If I start to run out I put in a 6 pack in the Edgestar to cool down.
My Girlfriend puts a case of coor light 8 oz cans on bottom of the edgestar so she can reach other items. This I just found out and she doesn't know I know. So keep it under your hat, for me it's called reserves.
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gyroplanes wrote:Does the fridge put out a lot of hot air? I had one of the 12v heater / coolers and it blew out hot air all the time. Kept the truck warm in the winter. Unacceptable for a boat in hot climates.

I'd like to ditch the ice headache and get one of these. I'd mount it in the cooler space under the aft dinette seat if practicable.
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Re: Edgestar vs. Engel Freezers

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I really need a portable freezer. I believe the these freezers are manufactured by Whynter Co for several different brands. If someone has used unit for sale please PM me.
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Re: Edgestar vs. Engel Freezers

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The Edgestar FP43 is 12/24 volts.. Might I assume most folks here are running it on 24 volts?
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Divecoz wrote:The Edgestar FP43 is 12/24 volts.. Might I assume most folks here are running it on 24 volts?
We have 2 12 volt batteries, but for the way we are wired run our....

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... 63 quart Edgestar on 12.

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Also for the prior post it can cycle down to -6 degrees F. We set ours at 40 F. and it comes on about 43 and cycles off at 38.

We love it, and is one of the best investments we have made for the boat. Food keeps longer and isn't water soaked and we can add pop and beer to it at any time. So far on this trip we have been out for 7 days and the temps during the day have been low 80's, 60's at night. The frig has been usually cycling on once a day or twice a day. It is usually 38 or39 when we go to bed and we turn it off and it is has been 44-45 in the morning after being off all night.

I ran a wire from the.....

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..... fuse panel...

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... to a toggle switch and on to a female 12 volt cigarette plug and...

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.... we plug the stock cord into that.

If you are out for more than a couple days it is a great investment. We hope to get a smaller one to use in our vehicle on the road for trips,

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Divecoz wrote:The Edgestar FP43 is 12/24 volts.. Might I assume most folks here are running it on 24 volts?
My Edgestar 66 quart runs on 12volt and AC 110. I need a new 12 volt cord and have been running it on a 75 watt inverter with the AC cord for the past 4-5 mo. untill I replace it.
I usually get 4-5 days in summer (air temps 92 degrees) before it gets down to 12.3 volts (50% discharge) useing 2 group deep cycle 27 for house batteries and also powers laptop, sterio, lighting and Nav. equipment. If I ran the Honda 50 with 10 amp generator and would take a long time to recharge but we usually are only out for 3-5 days so no problem.
One of the main reason I want to repower to a 90 hp is the 27 amp altinator.I don't know how the E-tec Evenrude 60 puts out 27 amps. I assume you have to be in the higher rpms to get that much.
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Not sure if the Etec puts out full amps at dead idle but at 1000-1500 rpm it certainly hooks in, from memory the charge alternator is actually smaller than seperate one for the electronics circuit which needs quite a bit so it probably does boost from low revs.
Divecoz I don't think many people run their Freezers on 24v but it would be very advantageous if the unit is further from the power source due to less voltage drop with the same size cables and also as there would be less amps it would mean the delivery voltage of the battery would be higher for longer.
It would just be a bit difficult to manage using the batteries for the fridge on 24v and lighting/starting etc on 12v especially if one gets drawn down it could also complicate it for charging but nothing that couldn't be fixed.
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