MacG cease product'n in CA. 2 new boats to be made in FL

[vizwhiz]

OK, now you guys have me looking at the picture - what I notice is that the mast tabernacle is on a forward facing slope - should make raising/lowering the mast quite interesting unless it is hinged several inches above the deck. If not, the mast cannot lay back horizontally.

If the computerized pic is representative, it looks like the mast passes thru the deck and may be keel or floor mounted, which would be odd for a boat this size. However, the rendered pic is probably just not detailed enough. May also break a few feet above the deck, as I saw on another small sailboat recently, which would make it not need to be removed, slid forward, attached at the front, etc.

[seahouse]

RobertB wrote:
OK, now you guys have me looking at the picture - what I notice is that the mast tabernacle is on a forward facing slope - should make raising/lowering the mast quite interesting unless it is hinged several inches above the deck. If not, the mast cannot lay back horizontally.

The easy solution (assuming artistic license was not taken in the rendering of that detail) is to mount the mast foot onto a plate that itself pivots with its fulcrum point located near the top of the cabin. As it pivots back, it clears the roof by as much space as you care to design into it. Some other inherent advantages of doing it that way come to mind... ...

Not that I would want to contribute in any way to a flight of fancy.

I too like the refreshened, updated look of the overall design.

-B.

[RobertB]

Agreed, a 12 inch or so long tabernacle should do the trick.

[BOAT]

As long as you can get a coin under there it should be fine.

[RobertB]

As long as you can get a coin under there it should be fine.

Hmmm, looking at the MacGregor list of materials, I do not remember a coin listed

[BOAT]

They don't provide a skipper either. (Or wind). But you need the coin just as much as the other two.

[RobertB]

OK, maybe I am following a different thought here. My guess on the coin was the practice that when rigging the mast for a boat, one would put a coin under the mast for good luck. As someone who built their first sailboat (two if you count the bamboo mast and poly tarp sail for a 1982 Coleman canoe), a resin built boat would get the coin embedded in the resin under the mast. On our boats, unless you have some awesome tape to hold it in place after manufacture, I would embed the coin when doing the fiberglass work under the mast. Never heard if MacGregor does this.

Are you referring to a coin in a more practical fashion where I just do not have a clue? Don't worry about my feelings, there are a bunch of things where I do not have a clue, just ask my wife or sons.

[BOAT]

I tape the coin to the base plate when at sea so it does not fall down the dagger board well.

"Mast Stepping" is an ancient practice. The coins are part of the process of "Stepping the Mast".

The ancient process calls for coins to be placed under the mast when the mast is raised.

[Paul S]

I like the lines of the deck. Very modern looking. The blunt bow also seems in step with more modern boats. Not sure how it will feel to walk on the deck. We'll have to wait for reports once it's real glass and not a drawing.

I wouldn't want a wheel on a 22' boat, but if it's a POWER sailor, I guess it fits.

One thing missing on the 22 is one heck of a bowsprit and however you engineer it on a small boat, otherwise the anchor line will rub on that near vertical racing style bow. I doubt it will be that aggressive when the final plans are made

[seahouse]

Yeah Paul. You'd want to be carefull pulling your anchor up in a swell!

The shear angle at the bow is one thing that dates our boats (the X and the M), and although most observers are unaware of this, it's one thing that I don't really like, although it does have its aesthetic advantages. In modern designs that angle is much closer to 90 degrees. It can't practically be exactly 90 degrees because the hull mould is made from a plug, and there has to be some draft angle in various directions in order for the mould to easily release from the plug, and then the fabricated hull from the mould (depending on the mould design).

A boat that has that angle closer to 90 will be faster than one that has bow shear (because displacement hull speed is determined by the length at the water line, and the LWL is thus made larger for any given boat size), so to make a hull faster the entry angle is made more vertical. It also provides more interior room, such as for storage (or a bowsprit retraction chase).

So its win-win, and while they might dial it back a bit, I would be surprised to see the shear line in the production boat anywhere near what our boats are; it would not age well.

-B.

[Ixneigh]

That boats lines have been around for ages in various incarnations. Maybe the cabin profile is a bit different. See Trekka and other mini cruisers of the sixties. They had deep heavy keels though.

[BOAT]

Very common rake on small powerboats of the 20's 30's and 40's. They were very heavy (made of wood) and only at high speed did the plane kick in.

[seahouse]

Yeah - nothing new under the sun - modern boats are returning to some of the more practical design features of the past . Hull shape was confined by economical wood construction methods of that time, but the introduction of fibreglass unleashed new shape and design possibilities not previously practicable.

BTW - that's a really small sail on that wood "power sailor". Easy to reef and furl, though! Lucky for us they're putting larger sails on them now!

- B.

[BOAT]

Ha, maybe it's reefed. I wonder how wooden SAILboats were made? Did they rake the front? When fiberglass was invented all the wood boats went away.

Is Roger going to invent a new epoxy that will make fibergalss go away??? Is the MAC the Chris Craft of it's day? Have we seen the best of fibergalss technology?

[vkmaynard]

I was curious why the "Sailboat Dragrace" video increased by 9,000+ view last month.

Look what I found on our favorite site Sailing Anarchyhttp://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index. ... regor&st=0

Some actually had complementry words.

Victor