Redundant means of forward movement:
Your aboard the Kon Tiki and you see for the first time in 97 days and 4000 miles , Land Fall straight ahead! But after numerous tries and all to no avail. Even with the assistance of numerous large Outrigger canoes attached to a bridle trying hard for 4 hours to Pull Kon Tiki thru the channel there stood no hope. No hope for Kon Tiki but the next destination, several days away. With tears in his eyes the Chief bid farewell to his new friends . For he knew exactly what awaited them at the end of those, next few days at sea!
Power sailor (long)
Russ,
All joking aside you already own the most reliable outboard motor in the world. They aren't popular at all in the U.S. but worldwide they are the most popular. Especially for commercial use in little fishing villages the world over. All 18 models are built to cross oceans and their 2.5 hp model holds the world record for being the smallest outboard to cross the Atlantic. You can get them worked on almost everywhere outside the U.S. but inside the U.S. it's a little harder to find a Tohatsu trained mechanic than U.S. brand mnfgrs. Weight to HP ratio they are unsurpassed. Of course we are talking about Tohatsu here. Sold as Nissan brand also. I assume your 50 is a TLDI.
Wish you all the best.
Kind Regards,
JonBill
All joking aside you already own the most reliable outboard motor in the world. They aren't popular at all in the U.S. but worldwide they are the most popular. Especially for commercial use in little fishing villages the world over. All 18 models are built to cross oceans and their 2.5 hp model holds the world record for being the smallest outboard to cross the Atlantic. You can get them worked on almost everywhere outside the U.S. but inside the U.S. it's a little harder to find a Tohatsu trained mechanic than U.S. brand mnfgrs. Weight to HP ratio they are unsurpassed. Of course we are talking about Tohatsu here. Sold as Nissan brand also. I assume your 50 is a TLDI.
Wish you all the best.
Kind Regards,
JonBill
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tangentair
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D@mn it Divecoz, I haven't read that book in 40 years and now I have to go and find it and reread it. I don't remember that part. As I remember (pre DNA tracking) his theory was that man spread from Africa, through Siberia and down the west coast to South America and then back west across the pacific. Current thinking is that it was a steady spread eastward from Africa through SE Asia, island hopping.
Frank, this 68 YO brain could not recall the exact capacity of the ballast tank. I fully intend to leave each port with it full. Experience tells me that in between fillings I will probably use less than 50 gallons. Since the tank is unavoidably an integral part of the boat, it is far better full then empty. And even better full of something useful. Most certainly I would rather use the tank for fuel. But it cannot be used for gasoline, and there is no reasonable way of powering the boat with diesel. These same 68 years of experience leads me to believe that the partial tank will not be a problem at the speed and weather conditions I will be operating in. However I will keep an open mind.
Weather conditions and, all your eggs in one basket, single outboard engine. I anticipated some negative response to these subjects, which have some things in common. As I think about how so many people always caution about the extremes. It makes me think about a joke I heard many years ago. “Why did the chicken cross the road?,,,,,,,,,,To show the possum it could be done”. Pogo is one of my heroes, but he was not the average possum. Remember the saying that made him so popular, “I have seen the enemy, and he is us”.The outboard engine has tremendous advantages over the inboard, most of which are obvious. However it does have one major disadvantage. The prop can come out of the water more often in bad sea conditions. And I suppose if while this is happening the mass in your partiality full ballast tank is rushing from point A, to points B,C,G,and R. You might wonder, What am I doing here?
What are you doing there?????? I am sure that most sailors get into trouble because, they let the clock force them to do things that prudence would dictate they not do, (The FAA describes this situation as, “unwarranted flight into adverse conditions”.). The trip that I am planning has few, if any, legs of more than 100 miles, and none longer than 400. Weather forecasting being what it is today, there is no reason to go forth into uncertain conditions. Well maintained engines with well maintained systems do not quit running. Even Murphy has to have a weak point offered to him.
Tangentair, You are correct. More extensive modification would result in a boat superior in many ways, as would a new purchase. But like the OSHA cowboy you have the law of diminishing returns. You would then have a boat that would be more unreasonable to trailer or store at your home, and considerably more expensive to acquire, and to operate, with the benefits more to one's ego, than to actual comfort. You can swat houseflys with a baseball bat. However, you can swat them just as well, and considerably more efficiently with a fly swatter. But if using the baseball bat would fulfill other needs in one's psyche, then most certainly it is available. I am sure that Bill Gates has a quite different perspective on life, then do those of us that own Macgregor sailboats.
Divecoz, Grew up in south Florida, did a lot of scuba, two very good friends former Navy UDT, but two perforated ear drums and the possibility of infection and general mileage has put a stop to my diving. But I still snorkel and perhaps I will carry a small tank. My ears like the rest of me are old, I can barely hear the new four cycles run. Good Quote. I like this one also;
“To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise you are doomed to a routine traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen, who play with their boats at sea - "cruising, " it is called Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the wanderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in. If you are contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is all about.
"I've always wanted to sail to the South Seas, but I can't afford it" What these men can't afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in the cancerous discipline of "security. " And in the worship of security we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine - and before we know it our lives are gone.
What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day, heat and
shelter, six feet to lie down in - and some form of working activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in the material sense. And we know it. But we are brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our attention from the sheer idiocy of the charade.
The years thunder by. The dreams of youth grow dim where they lie caked in dust on the shelves of patience. Before we know it the tomb is sealed
Where, then, lies the answer? In choice. Which shall it be: bankruptcy of purse or bankruptcy of life?”
by Sterling Hayden (1916-1986), sailor extraordinaire
(From Sterling Hayden's Book, Wanderer, copyrighted 1978 and reprinted without permission)
Well said. Perhaps Sterling would not approve of going with an engine. But would he approve of fiberglass boats, or sails made from synthetic fabric???
Jonbill, No mine is not the TLDI
Thank You,
Russ Miller
Weather conditions and, all your eggs in one basket, single outboard engine. I anticipated some negative response to these subjects, which have some things in common. As I think about how so many people always caution about the extremes. It makes me think about a joke I heard many years ago. “Why did the chicken cross the road?,,,,,,,,,,To show the possum it could be done”. Pogo is one of my heroes, but he was not the average possum. Remember the saying that made him so popular, “I have seen the enemy, and he is us”.The outboard engine has tremendous advantages over the inboard, most of which are obvious. However it does have one major disadvantage. The prop can come out of the water more often in bad sea conditions. And I suppose if while this is happening the mass in your partiality full ballast tank is rushing from point A, to points B,C,G,and R. You might wonder, What am I doing here?
What are you doing there?????? I am sure that most sailors get into trouble because, they let the clock force them to do things that prudence would dictate they not do, (The FAA describes this situation as, “unwarranted flight into adverse conditions”.). The trip that I am planning has few, if any, legs of more than 100 miles, and none longer than 400. Weather forecasting being what it is today, there is no reason to go forth into uncertain conditions. Well maintained engines with well maintained systems do not quit running. Even Murphy has to have a weak point offered to him.
Tangentair, You are correct. More extensive modification would result in a boat superior in many ways, as would a new purchase. But like the OSHA cowboy you have the law of diminishing returns. You would then have a boat that would be more unreasonable to trailer or store at your home, and considerably more expensive to acquire, and to operate, with the benefits more to one's ego, than to actual comfort. You can swat houseflys with a baseball bat. However, you can swat them just as well, and considerably more efficiently with a fly swatter. But if using the baseball bat would fulfill other needs in one's psyche, then most certainly it is available. I am sure that Bill Gates has a quite different perspective on life, then do those of us that own Macgregor sailboats.
Divecoz, Grew up in south Florida, did a lot of scuba, two very good friends former Navy UDT, but two perforated ear drums and the possibility of infection and general mileage has put a stop to my diving. But I still snorkel and perhaps I will carry a small tank. My ears like the rest of me are old, I can barely hear the new four cycles run. Good Quote. I like this one also;
“To be truly challenging, a voyage, like a life, must rest on a firm foundation of financial unrest. Otherwise you are doomed to a routine traverse, the kind known to yachtsmen, who play with their boats at sea - "cruising, " it is called Voyaging belongs to seamen, and to the wanderers of the world who cannot, or will not, fit in. If you are contemplating a voyage and you have the means, abandon the venture until your fortunes change. Only then will you know what the sea is all about.
"I've always wanted to sail to the South Seas, but I can't afford it" What these men can't afford is not to go. They are enmeshed in the cancerous discipline of "security. " And in the worship of security we fling our lives beneath the wheels of routine - and before we know it our lives are gone.
What does a man need - really need? A few pounds of food each day, heat and
shelter, six feet to lie down in - and some form of working activity that will yield a sense of accomplishment. That's all - in the material sense. And we know it. But we are brainwashed by our economic system until we end up in a tomb beneath a pyramid of time payments, mortgages, preposterous gadgetry, playthings that divert our attention from the sheer idiocy of the charade.
The years thunder by. The dreams of youth grow dim where they lie caked in dust on the shelves of patience. Before we know it the tomb is sealed
Where, then, lies the answer? In choice. Which shall it be: bankruptcy of purse or bankruptcy of life?”
by Sterling Hayden (1916-1986), sailor extraordinaire
(From Sterling Hayden's Book, Wanderer, copyrighted 1978 and reprinted without permission)
Well said. Perhaps Sterling would not approve of going with an engine. But would he approve of fiberglass boats, or sails made from synthetic fabric???
Jonbill, No mine is not the TLDI
Thank You,
Russ Miller
Jonbill
Yes we opened a tavern. That is the project that kept us from using the boat this summer. Not really a good business to be in. People will surprise you when you are on the other side of the bar. We closed last Friday and I doubt we will reopen.
You are welcome to stop by anytime Just come on up to the house.
Russ
Yes we opened a tavern. That is the project that kept us from using the boat this summer. Not really a good business to be in. People will surprise you when you are on the other side of the bar. We closed last Friday and I doubt we will reopen.
You are welcome to stop by anytime Just come on up to the house.
Russ
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tangentair
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Russ,
Perhaps I read you wrong, it seems like you want to do extensive mods, hence my suggestions. But adding a keel is something I am considering doing soon myself. I just need to figure out 5 of 6 numbers, if I can get all 6 I will likely just give the Mac to my son and get a cat. I wonder what's the largest cat that can do the Tom Tenn and Trent Severn.
Perhaps I read you wrong, it seems like you want to do extensive mods, hence my suggestions. But adding a keel is something I am considering doing soon myself. I just need to figure out 5 of 6 numbers, if I can get all 6 I will likely just give the Mac to my son and get a cat. I wonder what's the largest cat that can do the Tom Tenn and Trent Severn.
Jonbill
anything able to be towed behind a 27 foot boat is small enough to interest many of the fish out there. Once they hit it, and they will, that pretty well terminates the items usefulness and leaves one lacking for whatever purpose you purchased the item for.
And if it is inside the boat and it moves it must be maintained.
Russ
anything able to be towed behind a 27 foot boat is small enough to interest many of the fish out there. Once they hit it, and they will, that pretty well terminates the items usefulness and leaves one lacking for whatever purpose you purchased the item for.
And if it is inside the boat and it moves it must be maintained.
Russ
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Get the newest version as it has some new spins to it as you will see.tangentair wrote:D@mn it Divecoz, I haven't read that book in 40 years and now I have to go and find it and reread it. I don't remember that part. As I remember (pre DNA tracking) his theory was that man spread from Africa, through Siberia and down the west coast to South America and then back west across the pacific. Current thinking is that it was a steady spread eastward from Africa through SE Asia, island hopping.
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Frank C
Not sold in the USA, but considering your long-range cruising plans, it might be worth checking Canada or Mexico.LCB wrote:But it cannot be used for gasoline, and there is no reasonable way of powering the boat with diesel.
Yanmar 36hp
Well, I am beginning to doubt if that was King Neptune that spoke to me. It might have been one of those old geezers off of one of the shrimp boats across the street. Howsumever he sure did look the part.
So much for humor, The swing keel stays. And for what I am sure, the same reasons Roger used it in the first place. The best compromise for trailer ability. Also an added benefit, it allows the boat to operate in water of two feet or less.
Duane Dunn,,,,I mentioned your short mast in my first post.
So much for humor, The swing keel stays. And for what I am sure, the same reasons Roger used it in the first place. The best compromise for trailer ability. Also an added benefit, it allows the boat to operate in water of two feet or less.
Duane Dunn,,,,I mentioned your short mast in my first post.