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David Mellon
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- Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:16 pm
- Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
- Location: Anaheim, CA-Yamphibian, Yamaha 70, MACM1376C606
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James V
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- Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:33 am
- Sailboat: MacGregor 26M
- Location: Key West, Fl USA, 26M 06, Merc 50hp BF "LYNX"
Most of use have very few problems with the motors. Most of us are not Machanics either so when a question is posted everybody pipes in with their story.
There is some wear and tear items, like fuel lines, filters, fuel ect. If one does the proper maintance at the time needed, the motors should last a long time without any major problems. I have over 320 hrs (2900 water miles) on my 06 Merc 50 Bigfoot, The only thing that happened is a vacume line came off. I do change the oil and witerize when not using for several months.
There is a nice mod for a dinghy motor mount for an X that can be lowered to putter the boat at 2 mph if needed.
There is some wear and tear items, like fuel lines, filters, fuel ect. If one does the proper maintance at the time needed, the motors should last a long time without any major problems. I have over 320 hrs (2900 water miles) on my 06 Merc 50 Bigfoot, The only thing that happened is a vacume line came off. I do change the oil and witerize when not using for several months.
There is a nice mod for a dinghy motor mount for an X that can be lowered to putter the boat at 2 mph if needed.
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Duane Dunn, Allegro
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- Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:41 pm
- Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
- Location: Bellevue, Wa '96 26x, Tohatsu 90 TLDI and Plug In Hybrid Electric drive
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This is my Kicker motor mod on a trolling bracket. Works well keeping the motor clear of the water under way yet deep enough for backup power. If I had it to do again I would look for a bracket with a longer throw.
http://macgregorsailors.com/cgi-bin/mod ... record=427
As I mentioned above, 6hp kicker, moves the X at 6 knots with full ballast. Plenty of power to move the boat anywhere you need to. The 6hp will move our 10' air floor dinghy at 14 knots.
I originally bought the motor as my only engine on my Venture 21. You'll see many pure sailboats out there cruising around with motors under 10hp without any issues.
http://macgregorsailors.com/cgi-bin/mod ... record=427
As I mentioned above, 6hp kicker, moves the X at 6 knots with full ballast. Plenty of power to move the boat anywhere you need to. The 6hp will move our 10' air floor dinghy at 14 knots.
I originally bought the motor as my only engine on my Venture 21. You'll see many pure sailboats out there cruising around with motors under 10hp without any issues.
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Gazmn
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- Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 10:22 pm
- Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
- Location: Bayside, NY '97X, E-tec 115 Pontoon, The "Ollie Gray" & '01 Chevy Tahoe W/ Tow Pkg; AL 2X Trlr.
Hi Mike,
I had a similar problem running at low idle, ie when docking where my 35hp 4 stroke Tohatsu would crap out and pin me to the pier too. I too bought used and the PO claimed he took excellent care of motor. Since I wanted more uuummph, I repowered.
It turned out to be a dirty carb bowl. I was fine at WOT but when going slow she'd stall.
A backup like Duane's is nice. But mine wouldn't even be connected. [I did his mod too.]
Clean the bowl, new gas, etc if that don't work - sell it on Ebay as I did and get something that Purs at low & growls at high.
Congratulations, this board is great and will be there for you.
Peace...
I had a similar problem running at low idle, ie when docking where my 35hp 4 stroke Tohatsu would crap out and pin me to the pier too. I too bought used and the PO claimed he took excellent care of motor. Since I wanted more uuummph, I repowered.
It turned out to be a dirty carb bowl. I was fine at WOT but when going slow she'd stall.
A backup like Duane's is nice. But mine wouldn't even be connected. [I did his mod too.]
Clean the bowl, new gas, etc if that don't work - sell it on Ebay as I did and get something that Purs at low & growls at high.
Congratulations, this board is great and will be there for you.
Peace...
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argonaut
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- Posts: 531
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:23 pm
- Location: '97 26X, Yammy 40 4s, Central Fla.
The honda 50 is a fairly durable motor, built pretty well. Around here the clam guys use them on their skiffs. But they use them every day of the week for hours and hours. My 50 normally gets a half hour of use on a three day weekend.I think some places have better fuel than others too as far as additives go.
Honda decided three carbs would meet emissions and fuel economy goals for the 50 and be cheaper than EFI. Their next size up motor -is- EFI.
Tipping the motor vertical is what i do on trailer, not in the water, that's rough on the lower end. I drain the carbs if i know i'm not sailing for a month or so. I disconnect the line and let the motor run out of fuel after the lower unit's flushed.
You can drain the fuel from the carb bowls if you're not going to run for a while. There's a screw on the lower carb that opens a drain connected to a clear plastic tube.
Key thing is using fresh clean fuel. Don't forget the bowls and filter hold fuel too.Now the Honda 9.9hp is a one-jug one-carb motor that's pretty easy to keep running,& rebuilding the carb is like a half day job. It took that long to remove the intake manifold and associated carbs off of my 50. The carbs aren't complex, just susceptible to dirt or fuel issues due to their tiny orifices. Check the outboard boards and you'll see the carb issue pop up on honda 40 and 50s.
The two strokes are all pretty bullet proof and easy to maintain from what I see.
Honda decided three carbs would meet emissions and fuel economy goals for the 50 and be cheaper than EFI. Their next size up motor -is- EFI.
Tipping the motor vertical is what i do on trailer, not in the water, that's rough on the lower end. I drain the carbs if i know i'm not sailing for a month or so. I disconnect the line and let the motor run out of fuel after the lower unit's flushed.
You can drain the fuel from the carb bowls if you're not going to run for a while. There's a screw on the lower carb that opens a drain connected to a clear plastic tube.
Key thing is using fresh clean fuel. Don't forget the bowls and filter hold fuel too.Now the Honda 9.9hp is a one-jug one-carb motor that's pretty easy to keep running,& rebuilding the carb is like a half day job. It took that long to remove the intake manifold and associated carbs off of my 50. The carbs aren't complex, just susceptible to dirt or fuel issues due to their tiny orifices. Check the outboard boards and you'll see the carb issue pop up on honda 40 and 50s.
The two strokes are all pretty bullet proof and easy to maintain from what I see.
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Mark Chamberlain
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- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:57 am
- Location: North Pole Alaska
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Honda 50 running and starting for 7 years
Honda 50 are one of the most used motores in remote sites with no serivice,
Rule one, fuel filter changed at least every two years, rule 2 gas line needs to be checked to see that o rings are not cracked, rule three, put seafoam in the gas at beginning of season and end of season,
rule 4 if your having trouble the carbs need to be cleaned, there is air jests that are really fine, if clogged they will give you hull forever, paid to get the the carbs rebuilt.
I hAVE OVER 600 HOURS and never had the cabs off the engine, I have always follwed the rules above, and
NEVER run the engin out of water, water pump blades will be weakened by heat.
SEAFOM is worth every penny you pay for it. use it in your cars , mowers, and pressure washers. as well as outboard 4 stroke.
Going on 7 years with no break downs ever, and all in salt water.
No extrA motor is needed, just take care of the one you have, change oil every season, new lower gear oil every season, new plugs every season,
keep prop in top shape, replace if dinged,
Mark
Rule one, fuel filter changed at least every two years, rule 2 gas line needs to be checked to see that o rings are not cracked, rule three, put seafoam in the gas at beginning of season and end of season,
rule 4 if your having trouble the carbs need to be cleaned, there is air jests that are really fine, if clogged they will give you hull forever, paid to get the the carbs rebuilt.
I hAVE OVER 600 HOURS and never had the cabs off the engine, I have always follwed the rules above, and
NEVER run the engin out of water, water pump blades will be weakened by heat.
SEAFOM is worth every penny you pay for it. use it in your cars , mowers, and pressure washers. as well as outboard 4 stroke.
Going on 7 years with no break downs ever, and all in salt water.
No extrA motor is needed, just take care of the one you have, change oil every season, new lower gear oil every season, new plugs every season,
keep prop in top shape, replace if dinged,
Mark
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Bobby T.-26X #4767
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- Sailboat: MacGregor 26X
- Location: Oceanside Harbor, CA
Re: Honda 50 running and starting for 7 years
in 600 hours have you ever/never changed the water pump impellor?Mark Chamberlain wrote: I hAVE OVER 600 HOURS and never had the cabs off the engine, I have always follwed the rules above, and
NEVER run the engin out of water, water pump blades will be weakened by heat.
SEAFOM is worth every penny you pay for it. use it in your cars , mowers, and pressure washers. as well as outboard 4 stroke.
Going on 7 years with no break downs ever, and all in salt water.
No extrA motor is needed, just take care of the one you have, change oil every season, new lower gear oil every season, new plugs every season,
keep prop in top shape, replace if dinged,
Mark
most outboard manufacturers insist a change-out every two years regardless of hours of use.
Bob T.
"DāBob"
'02X w/ '04 90-TLDI (14" x 11 pitch)
Dinghy Motor: '06 2.5-Suzuki
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Mark Chamberlain
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- Location: North Pole Alaska
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Impeller changes
I change impeller every two years, cooling of the engine is very important,
there is no help in my area for break downs,. best to take no chances
I used the boat in Prince William sound May 01 to Sept 30,
cold in May and Sept, Rains every day, but sometimes we get a 3 day run without rain.
the Seafoam leasure suits are nice, Save them, they might be a collectable on ebay some day.
Mark
there is no help in my area for break downs,. best to take no chances
I used the boat in Prince William sound May 01 to Sept 30,
cold in May and Sept, Rains every day, but sometimes we get a 3 day run without rain.
the Seafoam leasure suits are nice, Save them, they might be a collectable on ebay some day.
Mark
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Mike S - 26X
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- Joined: Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:05 pm
- Location: Newtown, PA
Update Honda Motor
The Honda outboard mechanics checked out my motor today and said the second cylinder is not firing and they will have to go back tomorrow to figure out why. I guess that would explain the lack of power and stalling problems.
I'm really glad they found something concrete, but, at $90 dollars for the marina visit and $70 per hour labor......I don't even want to think about it.
However, if they can fix the problem so I have piece of mind for the rest of the season, it will be worth it.
I'm really glad they found something concrete, but, at $90 dollars for the marina visit and $70 per hour labor......I don't even want to think about it.
However, if they can fix the problem so I have piece of mind for the rest of the season, it will be worth it.