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Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:50 am
by Jimmyt
Yes, sorry I misunderstood your "not worry" language.

Mid mast, or even mast-high swell would be manageable. Big breakers would be bad. Swell, I'm sailing. Big breakers, I don't know; especially when you add the issue of a bad motor. It also depends on how big. Pitch pole big?

I think the rudders wouldn't hold up to big surfing, possibly the dagger either. Your plan, (assuming the tie-point holds), would have breakers coming over the nose, and dropping on the deck. Not sure how much I trust the deck, but certainly not that much. However, if the motor is stalled and I get into larger than 15-20 ft breaking seas, a sea anchor might be my tool of choice. But, I'd likely strap in and stay in the cockpit.

Contrary to your statement, I don't think Roger was being terribly irresponsible in showing the boat could run in high winds and a big swell. That was one of the selling points to me. He said something to the effect of, "we don't recommend sailing in this type of weather, but it's good to know the boat will do it". I looked at those conditions as way worse than I would ever intentionally experience - indicating that the boat would be adequate for my planned use. It was a given that those guys knew the local waters and had some experience in those conditions.

Also, the skipper is a huge part of this equation. A good skipper that knows the waters and regularly sails the conditions would probably not bat an eye. BOAT has probably sailed in conditions almost as bad as Roger's video, if not worse. I'm sure several others have also - concerning big swell and high wind.

But, I'm sensing your question is more about what if it's really worse than that. Maybe "Perfect Storm" like conditions that would sink a 100+ ft seagoing vessel that was designed to be out there. If so, your strategy might have some minimal value, but your best bet would be Prayer and hope that your guardian angel wasn't on a smoke or coffee break. :wink: Having several tons of water drop on the deck would be a real challenge for our boats. I won't be below taking a nap when it happens. :D

More importantly, there are fair weather conditions that can wreck you. Watch a video of haulover inlet for example. Know the waters you're in. Know the forecast. Take the precautions you discuss. Then, enjoy the experience. Keep your Bluewater trips to manageable distances between safe harbors.

Just my opinion. Take it with a box of salt. 8)

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:00 pm
by Jimmyt
To answer your question, 50 knot winds and 10 ft seas would be the point I would start praying... :wink:

https://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/dau ... mobile-bay

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:28 pm
by Inquisitor
Jimmyt wrote: โ†‘Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:00 pm To answer your question, 50 knot winds and 10 ft seas would be the point I would start praying... :wink:

https://www.sailmagazine.com/racing/dau ... mobile-bay
Thanks JimmyT.

Quite sobering! That even in non-blue water and with people that you would think are quite experienced with their boats and with others around able to help, lives were lost. Severe weather changes are the culprit.

I also was encouraged by Roger's high-seas video and I certainly would not go out in that. Their skill and him being their with the 70 taking the video says to me they just had a good day of sailing. My comment was more about my dismal viewpoint of litigious America. We all have to drink cold coffee now.

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:38 pm
by Jimmyt
Inquisitor wrote: โ†‘Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:28 pm
My comment was more about my dismal viewpoint of litigious America. We all have to drink cold coffee now.
Amen.

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:24 pm
by OverEasy
Yeah, cold coffee is the life blood of all good consulting high technology design engineers!
How did Dunkin know to start selling iced coffee?
They looked at what the design engineers were drinking and realized we were the trend setter!
Hey, everyone now knows what a pocket protector and pocket calculator is, right?
We just glued our cell phone to the calculator and made the tape hinge to add the PDA to it and made the predecessor 10 years prior to the current cell phone. (Mind you they all had different batteries so you couldnโ€™t drain them all at once. :D )
(The big hold back was the digital camera aspect as the quality and detail of actual 35mm film was hard to beat! :o :D :D )

So yeah cold coffe is good.
Well, to be entirely honest, nearly anything is better than McDonald coffee any day of the life span of any functional human being with taste budsโ€ฆ..

Best Regards
Over Easy ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿฉ๐Ÿˆ

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:54 pm
by OverEasy
Getting back to the OPโ€ฆ.

The important thing isnโ€™t ever so much more important in anything involving real world environment challenges than the determination, adaptivity and skill of the individual, not the equipment.
Mediocre or even poor equipment in the hands of a skilled operator can most often best the fanciest equipment in the hands of an incompetent.

The Sistine Chapel was painted with a hand held brush by a guy lying on his back on a rough sawn plank with hand mixed paints.

Iโ€™ve yet to see any painting, never mind a ceiling mural, that even comes close in our modern era. ( and I love going to art museums, shows, etcโ€ฆ)

A Life Boat or Life Raft is by definition a Class A โ€œblue waterโ€ vessel but I donโ€™t think I know of may people who would deliberately seek to cross an ocean in oneโ€ฆparticularly in any storm conditions, never mind severe.

Iโ€™m no expert sailor by any stretch of anybodyโ€™s imagination but Iโ€™m learning.
Your idea of the rudders up, centerboard/swing keel up and minimal weight aloft and a sea anchor deployed is a reasonable one if given plenty of open space far from any collision threats (coats, reefs, ships, rocksโ€ฆ).

Hunkering down is a valid option if the conditions are excessive and beyond ones skill set.
Being on deck or cockpit with over cresting waves vs water falling on the fire deck with one inside???
Iโ€™ll take my chances of surviving with being tuck in tight inside until I get a tremendous amount of skills at sailing and the body I had back in my mid twenties :D :D

Great OP and very interesting reading.
While I should never see the conditions Rodger filmed it is nice to know that our boats have the capability to accomplish it with a skilled crew.

Best Regards
Over Easy ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿฉ๐Ÿˆ

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:20 am
by NiceAft
And then there was Thor Heyerdahl crossing the Atlantic in a boat of reeds (Ra1 & Ra2).
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Ra1 didnโ€™t quite make it; Ra2 was successful. Three thousand miles in eight weeks.

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:57 am
by Highlander
Hi HO HI HO & off too sail we go !we go !
In this vid I was sitting on the outward end of my 4ft bowsprit & half way thru the vid the wind picks up considerately & I was in for the ride & some nice video :D

Now all u need to do is add on a few options like 4 furling head sails ,4ft bowsprit, 7ft genny tracks , backstay on a traveler, second set of spreaders , third set of masthead shrouds , masthead rig , IDA racing rudders, auto pilot , since this vid have added new bigger radar arch , & radar , AIS, marine cell ph booster & marine antenna, search light , nice big marine deep tone trumpet horn on arch, two golf cart batts, three battery banks gives me way more extra ballast :)

Now after all that if u can,t cut thru the waves then U just don,t have enough Rags up ! :P


But u can always just move up to a bigger Mac65


Have fun spring is just around the corner

after this vid I haul my boat out to NWP Victoria BC & never looked back :wink:


this should entertain u bored guys for a little time

J 8)

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:56 am
by OverEasy
Really nice!
That was a lot of work!

Would like to see more on your anchor roller / forestry design if possible?

Great videos!
Thanks!

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Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:02 pm
by Highlander
OverEasy wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:56 am Really nice!
That was a lot of work!

Would like to see more on your anchor roller / forestry design if possible?

Great videos!
Thanks!

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Here's a sneak preview I have dug up around 100 pic,s of the Mod & fabrication process that were originally posted with the mod with pic,s from photo bucket that r no longer viewable by third parties unless I want to become a paid member with them , I wondering if I,ll b able to repost the pic,s back on there if I can find where I posted them I believe at the time I posted them on the powersailor forum because at the time u could,nt post more than 3 pic,s on the Mod forum :(

J 8)

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Masthead arrangement if u zoom in u can see the masthead spinnaker hound & the genny hound in the middle & the original mast Jib/Genny hound just under the top second set of spreaders
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Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:10 pm
by OverEasy
Hi Highlander

Am I correct that it can pivot up 90 degrees!?!?!
๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ‘
If it does, that is ingeniously smart!!!

Swing up for trailering then swing down for sailing!!

That is a great idea!

Best Regards
Over Easy ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿฉ๐Ÿˆ

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:36 pm
by DaveC426913
Russ wrote: โ†‘Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:40 am Frank made some "interesting" claims of his Mac. I think he mixed much fiction into his stories which in turn generated a lot of "discussion"

You must know before clicking, SA is the polar opposite of this site. The members are some of the nastiest people on Earth. Hardcore sailosr and few actual boat owners. I think many crew on other boats. They have no concept of simply boating for the joy of boating and they view the Mac as a boat to mock and make fun of. So when Frank makes outrageous claims, he feeds right into them.

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index. ... -murrelet/
Now my curiosity is piqued. :D But it seems that forum has been updated and the discussion that the thread is referring to has been lost to history. :cry:

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:49 am
by Highlander
OverEasy wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:10 pm Hi Highlander

Am I correct that it can pivot up 90 degrees!?!?!
๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ‘
If it does, that is ingeniously smart!!!

Swing up for trailering then swing down for sailing!!

That is a great idea!

Best Regards
Over Easy ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿฉ๐Ÿˆ
U r correct it doe,s pivot 90 degree,s :idea:

J 8)

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:38 am
by Jimmyt
Highlander wrote: โ†‘Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:49 am
OverEasy wrote: โ†‘Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:10 pm Hi Highlander

Am I correct that it can pivot up 90 degrees!?!?!
๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ‘
If it does, that is ingeniously smart!!!

Swing up for trailering then swing down for sailing!!

That is a great idea!

Best Regards
Over Easy ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿฉ๐Ÿˆ
U r correct it doe,s pivot 90 degree,s :idea:

J 8)
One more reason that the man is a legend! :wink:

Re: Interesting article.

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:58 am
by NiceAft
For that reasonโ€ฆโ€ฆ..and otherโ€™s :evil: :D

Now counting down for the bombshell reply.