26M Galley Mod Feasibility Question

[Jimmyt]

I don't actually need to use the head, I just need to sit in it. Scots' honor.

Not quite sure how to take this....

[BOAT]

No kilts or dresses for me, but any bottoms that don't have zippers work just about as well.

Ah, I see, so your a professional - that changes things.

It's called a 'head' because it's the only place in the boat where you can stand up - thus "Head Room" or The Head Room as it was originally termed and sailors shortened it to just The Head. Technically, if you can't stand in it you can't call it a HEAD. I am old fashioned and many here on this site hate me because of it. So be it - the truth is the truth - and I may suffer for it. The M boat has no head - it's a compartment.
(Protesters will swarm my yard again tomorrow for this.)

The term "asses and elbows" was actually coined on a sailboat, (*the details of which I will not go into here) but suffice it to say ship design went through a transition after the invention of elastic waistbands. Shipwrights of old always positioned the head close to the companionway for ventilation and access for obvious reasons but his required the use of hard doors and hatches to prevent women and children on deck from exposure. These doors limited elbow room and would often fail at just the time the moon was rising. The X boat, being of older design carries this traditional plan and a sturdy door to protect the women folk.

Then came along the upstarts - the birth of the internet and stretchy waistbands created a HUGE rift in the yachting community.

Suddenly it was accepted to hide deep in the 'bowels' of the ship to bare ones bum where there was lots of "ELBOW ROOM" But this created problems because the lower parts of a ship tend to have no head room and standing is hard. Roger being a traditional shipwright was shunned for his conversion and even started to experiment with materials other than fiberglass. The epoxy and carbon revolution that Roger started split the industry and families are broken to this day. "What are you?" " Skippers now snort at the docks, "A Stander or a Sitter?"

See the sign above that door Neo? It's Latin for "Know Thyself" What's your heart say? Asses, or Elbows?

So the X boat or the M boat ?? You have a choice - the red pill or the blue one.




*One year Nepal entered a boat into the Americas cup with an outhouse on the forecastle and the Sherpa's used open fires on the deck for cooking and laundry and such and when underway this created the illusion of "asses and . . . well, you get the picture.

[K9Kampers]

... That being said I can appreciate the nicety of standing at the galley looking out the door - it's a nice way to cook and serve. The closest you can get to doing that is on the M boat; by sliding the galley aft a little bit, (the galley on later M boats slides fore and aft)... -

My solution to achieving this on my was to mount the single burner Origo stove on a counter just aft of the compression post. This was an extension of a raised counter, three inches above the factory galley. Between the stove and hull interior were vertical shelves and bins for cookware, dinnerware, and sundries.

Taking advantage of the hole left by the stove's original location, I constructed a cube storage well flush with the raised counter and about a foot deep to just above my custom drawers in the galley cabinet. The storage well was great for a lot of bagged foods. Additional vertical shallow shelves along the cabin wall.

This setup allowed standing under an open or closed companionway hatch while cooking.

[Idiotfool]

... That being said I can appreciate the nicety of standing at the galley looking out the door - it's a nice way to cook and serve. The closest you can get to doing that is on the M boat; by sliding the galley aft a little bit, (the galley on later M boats slides fore and aft)... -

My solution to achieving this on my was to mount the single burner Origo stove on a counter just aft of the compression post. This was an extension of a raised counter, three inches above the factory galley. Between the stove and hull interior were vertical shelves and bins for cookware, dinnerware, and sundries.

Taking advantage of the hole left by the stove's original location, I constructed a cube storage well flush with the raised counter and about a foot deep to just above my custom drawers in the galley cabinet. The storage well was great for a lot of bagged foods. Additional vertical shallow shelves along the cabin wall.

This setup allowed standing under an open or closed companionway hatch while cooking.

In this thread, alone, you’ve mentioned a handful of great sounding mods that I can’t find through stalking threads you’ve posted into.

In the words of my youth: “pics or it didn’t happen.”

[Idiotfool]

No kilts or dresses for me, but any bottoms that don't have zippers work just about as well.

Ah, I see, so your a professional - that changes things.

It's called a 'head' because it's the only place in the boat where you can stand up - thus "Head Room" or The Head Room as it was originally termed and sailors shortened it to just The Head. Technically, if you can't stand in it you can't call it a HEAD. I am old fashioned and many here on this site hate me because of it. So be it - the truth is the truth - and I may suffer for it. The M boat has no head - it's a compartment.
(Protesters will swarm my yard again tomorrow for this.)

The term "asses and elbows" was actually coined on a sailboat, (*the details of which I will not go into here) but suffice it to say ship design went through a transition after the invention of elastic waistbands. Shipwrights of old always positioned the head close to the companionway for ventilation and access for obvious reasons but his required the use of hard doors and hatches to prevent women and children on deck from exposure. These doors limited elbow room and would often fail at just the time the moon was rising. The X boat, being of older design carries this traditional plan and a sturdy door to protect the women folk.

Then came along the upstarts - the birth of the internet and stretchy waistbands created a HUGE rift in the yachting community.

Suddenly it was accepted to hide deep in the 'bowels' of the ship to bare ones bum where there was lots of "ELBOW ROOM" But this created problems because the lower parts of a ship tend to have no head room and standing is hard. Roger being a traditional shipwright was shunned for his conversion and even started to experiment with materials other than fiberglass. The epoxy and carbon revolution that Roger started split the industry and families are broken to this day. "What are you?" " Skippers now snort at the docks, "A Stander or a Sitter?"

See the sign above that door Neo? It's Latin for "Know Thyself" What's your heart say? Asses, or Elbows?

So the X boat or the M boat ?? You have a choice - the red pill or the blue one.




*One year Nepal entered a boat into the Americas cup with an outhouse on the forecastle and the Sherpa's used open fires on the deck for cooking and laundry and such and when underway this created the illusion of "asses and . . . well, you get the picture.

That’s not the history pappy told me. In days of yore, when hygiene was unknown to the seven seas, the foreword part of the boat was a hellish place with an open cavity of doom. Slots or grates were integrated into this public room of filth and despair. Modern scholars say these were a means of letting nature clear out the mess left by men, but tales are still told of the unholy union of seawater and excrement and the smells that would be generated could make a man comatose.

When you could stand it no more, you went forward and, if you had any decency at all, you would avert your head as you entered. The sight of what lay before you could destroy your soul... it’s only through centuries of blessed nature scouring these decks clean that we can look without emptying the contents of our stomachs.



So you see, BOAT, your tiny compartment is more technically accurate, being more toward the bow of the ship. You could just use the anchor locker, though, if you really want to be historically accurate.

[BOAT]

Indeed, I can see that you are going to be a welcome addition to this site.

[K9Kampers]

In this thread, alone, you’ve mentioned a handful of great sounding mods that I can’t find through stalking threads you’ve posted into.

In the words of my youth: “pics or it didn’t happen.”

Indeed. I haven't posted pics to this forum for many years since my falling out with Flickr. I've come up empty looking at my photo library on my big computer and have yet to dig out my external harddrive.

Last year, I had removed my entire galley mod with the intention of making it lighter and giving it a good finish. However, we've since decided to sell the boat and I've removed most mods to restore to factory condition.

If I can't find any pics, I'll work on providing sketches of what I had.

[adudinsk]

I have seen many articles about the 2nd mod.
1) Ladder was structural and has a special connector. Cannot use or be out in cockpit with ladder open
2) The walls (one article said) were wood foam core to greatly reduce weight ($$$$$$$)
3) You will be no matter what reducing your carrying capacity, remember.. your about 900ish lbs with ballast.. 600 or so with none.. If you add 100lbs of "walls" and stuff... is it worth it to turn the boat into a 2-3 person boat? Maybe??

(but it is a BEAUTIFUL job!)

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[Idiotfool]

What walls were wood foam core?

[Wayne nicol]

i have an m with a sliding galley.
i have experienced a bit of sand in our bed from the steps, had always planned to either put a canvas trough or a plywood backing to the steps.

i hear you on the size of the head in the
one day maybe i will do the mod i have always wanted to do, which is to remove the head, move the dinette forward, and put in a head shower as in the a big, but do able job though!!!!!- one day maybe!!
may just be easier to build my dream boat though!!!
i do have a proper flushing head with black water tank and macerator and overboard pump out in our M
we really like that mod!

[Inquisitor]

...
A hot water heater. I use a Seward/Whale Pumps S360EW 12V because I prefer electric:
https://bit.ly/2HdAHZh
...

Thank you rsvpasap for posting this. I wouldn't have believed such a thing was possible on our small boats.

One question though: Using this site https://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/ ... gures.html and IF I did the Math right, raising 3 gallons of 60°F water to 140°F would take ~600 Watt-hr. At 12V, that'd be about 50 Amps for an hour. May I ask what kind of electrical system you have? (Battery bank, solar, wind, etc...)

Thanks

[BOAT]

Electric People! Help!

check my math - is this right?:

25 amps
So to work out the amps at 12 volts you divide 300 watts by 12 volts and you get 25 amps;

i read the brochure on the whale website and it says the water heater is 300 watts and 12 volts and that it will heat 3 gallons of water to 120 in one hour

that's 25 amp hours at 12 volts???????

So this heater will heat the water to 120 using only 25 % of a 100 amp hour battery ???


if that is true then this is one amazing heater - can anyone else check my figures and confirm this ???

[Jimmyt]

You can heat 3 gallons of water from 80 deg F up to 120 deg F in one hour with 300 watts heat rate - if the tank insulation is perfect and there are few losses.

The catalog shows vague performance numbers for planning/design purposes. But you are limited to a 300 watt heater.

The brochure has a heavy dose of marketing, "hot water in less than 60 minutes". It doesn't say what starting temp and what final temp the 60 minutes claim is based on. But, if you start at 65 deg, you might get to 104 deg in an hour...

[kurz]

Well the brochure also says you need an OB starting at 100hp, as they have bigger watts.

The good is: you can use the OB to warmup water a little. Good if you motor often long hours before you need warm water.

The bad: you need a second heater when you stay longer at anchor or need more liter of water.

Why not bring two really good needs together? Install an air heater (200€ from China...) and get a water heater that uses the hot air. So you can heat your cabin in cold days and heat up water.

BUT: dropping a 12v immersion heater you can for free. Never thought about as a motor too seldon long time before using hot water.

[BOAT]

ok i thought it was too good to be true - i would never punish my batteries and my ob alternator that much just to get 100 degree shower water because i can already get 2.5 gallons that hot in less than 11 minutes right now on the alcohol stove in the zodi pressure can in the galley


so this thing is not worth it - electric 12 volt water heater is a bust.

kurz idea of carrying a 120 volt hot water rod for dock use is good one - i have one and you just drop the rod into the top of the zodi and it will heat up the thing in about 30 40 minutes from an ac plug - (the alcohol is still faster)