Sumner's stack pack ripped off

[Gazmn]

Da Bastards



Sumner, I hope you find peace, and are having some fun

[Sea Wind]

marcopolo173,

I have the kit sold by sailrite and I am very happy with it. You can read a previous thread here:
http://www.macgregorsailors.com/forum/v ... 02#p279829

I use the lazy jack kit from sailcare.

[marcopolo173]

Thanks Sea Wind, looks like a beauty. Couple of queries:
Any issues raising/dousing the sail with the lazy jacks?
How long did it take to make?

[dlandersson]

Very nicely set up. Like the roominess of the large "X" cockpit in particular.

Thanks Sea Wind, looks like a beauty. Couple of queries:
Any issues raising/dousing the sail with the lazy jacks?
How long did it take to make?

[Sea Wind]

Happy to answer any questions about this project. I added a small piece of line that goes from the Lazy jacks to the stays just above the spreader to make them wider at the top and that helped a lot. The lazy jacks were installed a year before the stack pack, and it was painful to get around the regular sail cover. The stack pack kit from Sailrite comes with a very good DVD with instructions. I saw that and read a few online blogs (including Summer’s, of course) to tweak a few things. For example, I added a mast gate to a have lower pack.

It took about 15-20 hours. It helps a lot if you have a dedicated area to work on the project, the boat in your driveway for measurements and dedicate 1 or 2 weekends for the project. I had none of the above. We bought a new Sailrite sewing machine and had done a few other projects before the stack pack. We are currently/desperately putting the finishing touches on a custom dodger before we go to the Keys next week.

Depending how you value the cost of your labor you don’t necessarily save money on the size required for a Mac (that would be a different story on a larger sailboat), but you get a lot of experience for other sewing projects, things done your way and it is a good way to do something related with boating during the winter, at least that is what I tell myself.

Very nicely set up. Like the roominess of the large "X" cockpit in particular.

Thanks!

[Highlander]

Guy,s cool -off I doubt very much its a ripp-off , most likely Sum looked @ the stack pac,s avail & copied it with , but Modified to his boat or needs , we all find stuff that looks good but needs modified for our boats but is not avail , so we re-design it & make necc. changes to it so as it fits our needs & boats , if u look @ my rigging spreader & shroud mods that I made , there are hundreds of boats with the same rigging or similar design its not a copy infringement as per say more a standard rig design or mod per boat
when I made & designed my 4ft double anchor bowsprit I looked @ several designs but where not compatible with the so I looked @ the best designs & re-de-signed the concept to fit a with a lot more strength with a deck & hull & superior connection required for these mods r not avail so u r free to design ur own

J

Well apparently I stand corrected , I received a very informative E/M from someone on this site who is very knowledgeable on the subject , I will not mention their name without there permission as I can understand why they would not need to get involved in any ongoing legal issues , so Precision Sails Loft did in fact take his "Summer,s" photo & apparently have used it along with several other pics from other Sail Lofts without any of them giving permission .

Also with the info I was given I certainly would not be buying any of their products & I think neither would anyone else on this site if they now knew what I now know !

Also I was informed these pic,s have now been removed from there web-site

J

[Wayne nicol]

cool- the thick plottens!
the buggers eh!

[Judy B]

LOL, one of the pictures is a piece of OEM equipoment copied from the Hanse owners page!





If you right click on them, Google image search will take you to a link to this page:
http://www.myhanse.com/lazy-jack-bag_topic7298.html


How about this one-- uh-oh, that's got a a Quantum logo on it....



If you right click, Google Image Seach found the same picture here.

http://www.sailnc.net/one-design-voile-en-ligne.ws

How about this one? ---- whoopsie, that has a North logo on it....



Google search found a copy here:
http://www.ibisailing.co.uk/webyep-syst ... o-4314.jpg

It's a lot of smoke and mirrors.....

[grady]

Well guess I was wrong

I was convinced Summer was the Troll

Note to self. Never buy anything from "Precision" sails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Judy B]

Summer posted Ruths handiwork (may her memory be a blessing) in several places. Here's one:

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/sh ... p?t=121305

It's a tribute to Ruth's handiwork that they thought highly enough of her work to try to pass it off as their own.

[marcopolo173]

Judy

That was exactly my point of view when I came across the picture to start with.....and that it was a bit cheeky of them to pass it off as their own.

Marc

[Sumner]

double post on the shaky connection I'm on ,

Sumner

[Sumner]

I just happened on this thread and that for sure is a picture from my site. I found this link that shows it in their description of their Lazy Cradle....

http://www.precisionsailloft.com/produc ... nt_image=2

I don't see it in the current description so they took it down..

http://www.precisionsailloft.com/sails/ ... zy-cradle/

I have had other things, mostly car stuff, taken from my site and then the author claimed it to be theirs. What are you going to do , if people can do that with a clear conscious then let it be their problem.

As mentioned stack packs aren't new but we did do a few things in that one and especially the one for the Endeavour (removable mast part) I've never seen before. I can say the same for the dodger and netting for both boats. One thing is to pay someone to do some of this detail work would cost a lot and people who make these for a living have to be cost competitive which we never worried about,

Sumner

P.S. And I was having a great time on the boat while you guys were discussing this .

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P.S. And I was having a great time on the boat while you guys were discussing this .

Go ahead and rub it in.

[Judy B]

Welcome Bach Sumner!

Another one of the photos on that page was built by my company, Hyde Sails, for the Hanse company , based on the design submitted to us by Hanse. They plagarized the picture off the Hanse Owners Website. Here's the picture on Precision Sail Loft's website: It's still there. And I'm gonna leave it there because the joke's on them if anybody googles them