You could be right.BOAT wrote:Oh, sorry. Why worry about that? I thought maybe he was preparing for a long ocean trip or something. My bad.RussMT wrote:I could be wrong, but my impression is the OP is concerned with the mast bouncing around from pounding the waves hard.
Sumner used and recommends the Seahawk 2 part epoxy and I agree. It comes in a 2 gallon kit which is enough for a mac and goes on much thicker with less coats being needed than some of the competitors.(Side note, what type of epoxy do I coat my bottomwith before I add my bottom paint? again another possible video
Robin Lee Graham broke the mast on his Cal 24 TWICE (Carl Lapworth 24) and that is a VERY STOUT BOAT with major backstays. He sailed 24oo miles with a jury rigged square sail. I can find dismastings of all kinds of boats on You Tube - there are HUNDREDS of them and they all have backstays.Ixneigh wrote:This question is quite simple. How many m models lost the mast due to basic design limits? Ie, not hitting something, hardware failure Ect. I was going to add a backstay but then decided that the attachment behind the forestay tang was not easy to do and would rub on the sails. Runners may put more strain on the mast. Plus they are a pita when single handing. I'm just going to sail the boat and if the mast comes down I'll be able to go NYAAAA SEE THE SAILING ANARCHY GUYS WERE RIGHT!!!!
I doubt it will.
Ix
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Not criticising just pointing out the error in the OPs belief that installing a backstay on an unmodifiedGez Guy,s lighten up the guy is just asking for advise & help not criticism !
rig will somehow help keep the mast up when he is pounding in heavy seas under motor. I think it would be irresponsible to let him incorrectly believe this is a good thing when it achieves none of his intended goals. BOAT, I have to agree with you here. The mast isn't that tall and isn't that heavy. Normal usage just isn't gonna break it. If it were that weak, we'd be hearing of these things coming down. Plenty of guys have pushed these boats hard. Some with 110+ outboards and pounded waves and the mast stood tall. I really don't see a need to shore up the mast. It's fine.BOAT wrote:It does not matter because the mast on the MAC is not gonna bust - the boat is just too damn light!! There isn't enough 'THERE' there to break the mast. You need some serious counter weight like a 1750 lb keel under there to create some REAL leverage on the mast to break it. Only way your gonna break it is to hit something.
kadet wrote:Not criticising just pointing out the error in the OPs belief that installing a backstay on an unmodifiedGez Guy,s lighten up the guy is just asking for advise & help not criticism !
There are plenty of circumstances where a backstay is a good idea, this is just not one of them.
& as I have one on my & have seen the diff it makes I feel I,m opinion is more assertive , but I agree that with out a second forestay or even using the jib halyard as a second back-up its pretty much not worth the while with out each complementing the other 
Highlander wrote:Gez Guy,s lighten up the guy is just asking for advise & help not criticism !
how bigs ur motor !!! how fast u go !!, Yes with a strong enough topping lift & mainsheet on the boom or rigid vang as I have also u can stiffen up or bend the mast top to tighten up the forestay for powering or spinnaker , but for multiple head sails u,ll want to do my mods , remember my backstay is on a swivel on top of my masthead & mounted on a traveler on top of my aft arch high outa the way controlled from the cockpit helm on either side & center aft so she pulls straight back on the mast no matter what angle the mast is @ center, S/B , Port , what ever angle in betweenBOAT wrote:Highlander wrote:Gez Guy,s lighten up the guy is just asking for advise & help not criticism !
Okay, sorry - I am a troll so it comes natural.
I have run boat really hard under power into the waves and I never noticed a lot of work going on at the top of the mast - am I looking at the wrong place? Where is it you guys see all this mooovement? Maybe he should just unhook the boom from the topping lift and tie it to one of the safety lines - it could be that his topping lift is pulling on the top of the mast. Am I missing it? Does your mast's move a lot?
But you no-longer have an un-modified fractional B&R rig, you have a full height cutter rig so you have to compare apples with apples not apples and oranges.I have one on my
Exactly.. plus a halyard for a full height spinnakerKeep the side wires properly tight, but if you still want to add a backstay I would also go ahead and convert the rig into a masthead system. The uppers lowers head and backstay all going to the mast head. That will simplify things in the long run.
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