4 Furlers Mac 26M

[beene]

that's also why he just walks right by the boat filming the vid - his boat screaming right past it.

I shot both vids..

My parking brake was on..



G

[beene]

35 degrees? That much, really? Did not seem like it was heeling that much. There is a point where the wind just spills out of the top of the sails. Once the boat gets to a place where the wind is just blowing right over the top of the rig - I'm not sure what degree that would be. The boat can't really knock down because the wind falls out of the sail before the boat can get that far over. I suspect there is a maximum heel angle that the boat can achieve and that is it.

I wonder what that angle is? 35 degrees? What is the most heel angle that anyone ever got on the M boat? I bet it's less than 45.

Yep..


http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u119 ... 0_4561.mp4

G

[beene]

Crazy +45 stuff..

http://youtu.be/s0Bti3FUoDg


Me...

Video taken by Highlander

G

[beene]

Did see a YouTube video of a 26M in SF bay in a 45 knot wind and a 45 degree heel. Two guys. One drinking a beer, the other wondering what he was doing out there. Don't have the link but you can Google it. Also, ran into three youngish Polish sailors in a Cape Charles, VA marina who claimed to routinely push their 26X to 45 degrees. Didn't see them actually sailing but by the look of their boat and the ensuing discussions of the merits our respective boats, I have no reason to doubt them.

Yep..

Note the user who uploaded this video.... Pegasus26m

Hmmmm.....

http://youtu.be/PxmDYpj_lo8

G

[beene]

Check these out

https://www.youtube.com/user/Pegasus26M/videos

G

[BOAT]

Yep..

Note the user who uploaded this video.... Pegasus26m

Hmmmm.....

http://youtu.be/PxmDYpj_lo8

G

HEY! Cheating! You use a kite to blow the boat down! That's cheating - you can knock ANY boat down with a kite - everyone know that. So the max on a MAC M under main is 45? Is that what you found?

)Parking Brake my butt!! That guy was screaming fast on that clipper boat!)

[beene]

HEY! Cheating! You use a kite to blow the boat down! That's cheating - you can knock ANY boat down with a kite - everyone know that. So the max on a MAC M under main is 45? Is that what you found?

)Parking Brake my butt!! That guy was screaming fast on that clipper boat!)

LOL

True story from that day is.... I shot out in front of the pack
Took lots of pics and videos of all boats involved
Used the Hove2 method for most of my shooting
After shooting, started sailing again, and this is what it looked like as Highlander, without stopping, shot video of me as I "sailed past him"

http://youtu.be/pLnqONI7G3E


Then sailed back
Waited for hours for Highlander to return....
Never showed up back at marina
After all boats but his had returned, I became SAR and hunted him down
Found him miles out just sitting with sails luffed
Had to tow him back in

http://youtu.be/3qmnJLh2Lrc

All in all was a great day

G

[Tomfoolery]

My parking brake was on..

I noticed you were also in the left lane. Was your turn signal on for the last 10 miles, also?

I've never heeled my to more than maybe 30-35 degrees (me and my FIL) in a gust, and far less than that would have the admiral heading back to the dock, never to return.

[BOAT]

Check these out

https://www.youtube.com/user/Pegasus26M/videos

G

So you got the main down one reef and what looks to be a hank on jib? She still looks pretty stiff on the angle - I don't see a lot of flopping around. What is the angle - is that the 45 degrees? I guess I am underestimating the heel angle on my boat - because that seems like a normal angle to me under heavy wind.

I saw this but really to me this just seems like the normal heel angle wall that my boat runs in heavy wind. It is an angle where the boat just stops and does not go any further - is that really 45 degrees?? I guess I am measuring the angle wrong - We his heel angle about like that all the time in the winter so i did not think is was a lot. (I don't even know if my gauge goes past 35 degrees) Buit that angle seems normal to me in the vid:



Johns angle seems normal to me. (I really need to check out that wind indicator mounting position he has there - does that work well?)

[beene]

So you got the main down one reef and what looks to be a hank on jib? She still looks pretty stiff on the angle - I don't see a lot of flopping around. What is the angle - is that the 45 degrees? I guess I am underestimating the heel angle on my boat - because that seems like a normal angle to me under heavy wind.

I saw this but really to me this just seems like the normal heel angle wall that my boat runs in heavy wind. It is an angle where the boat just stops and does not go any further - is that really 45 degrees?? I guess I am measuring the angle wrong - We his heel angle about like that all the time in the winter so i did not think is was a lot. (I don't even know if my gauge goes past 35 degrees) Buit that angle seems normal to me in the vid:


Johns angle seems normal to me. (I really need to check out that wind indicator mounting position he has there - does that work well?)

Hey Boat... The only vids I posted up with +45 stuff was
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u119 ... 0_4561.mp4
And
http://youtu.be/s0Bti3FUoDg

The others were just for info re Pegasus26m videos

I have been sailing with John and had the levogauge berried beyond 45 for several minutes at a time
Not a good nor fast way to sail
But fun seeing what she can handle just the same

G

[BOAT]

HEY! Cheating! You use a kite to blow the boat down! That's cheating - you can knock ANY boat down with a kite - everyone know that. So the max on a MAC M under main is 45? Is that what you found?

)Parking Brake my butt!! That guy was screaming fast on that clipper boat!)

LOL

True story from that day is.... I shot out in front of the pack
Took lots of pics and videos of all boats involved
Used the Hove2 method for most of my shooting
After shooting, started sailing again, and this is what it looked like as Highlander, without stopping, shot video of me as I "sailed past him"

http://youtu.be/pLnqONI7G3E


Then sailed back
Waited for hours for Highlander to return....
Never showed up back at marina
After all boats but his had returned, I became SAR and hunted him down
Found him miles out just sitting with sails luffed
Had to tow him back in

http://youtu.be/3qmnJLh2Lrc

All in all was a great day

G

HA HA HA !! Highlander had to get a tow!!! (At least I can say in over 45 years of sailing I have NEVER had to be 'towed') -

But with that I must say that I am greatly underestimating the heel angle of my boat. I REGULARLY see the kinds of heel angles that are illustrated in your videos and never not once was myself OR EVEN MY WIFE ever scared or had any sense that the boat was going to tip over because, as I said - the heel angle seems to hit a wall at XX degrees, (to be determined scientifically later), and when 'boat' hits the wall that's it - the boat just does not tip over any further - if the wind howls faster it just bows out the top of the sails. My old Aquarius 23 could get tipped over so far that the windows would turn green (they were under water) - that was a "rolley-polley" boat with a very round bottom. The MAC M has a very high free-board that keeps the windows and the cockpit out of the water even at high heel angles, so it was never a concern to us.

Now, flying a kite - that's a different story - Kites are VERY dangerous in high winds and they can tip over ANY boat, even big keel boats. I have seen kites pull big keel boats right over on to their side and DRAG THEM ACROSS THE WATER ON THEIR SIDES! I saw that happen in Mexico once and it swamped a Columbia 42 with 4 feet of water in the cabin!

Has there ever even been a case of an un-ballasted MAC tipping over ?? I don't think I have ever seen a single report. So that means there must indeed be a MAX angle. I wonder what it is?

[beene]

Has there ever even been a case of an un-ballasted MAC tipping over ?? I don't think I have ever seen a single report.

....

Unfortunately there has been

I will try to find it for you

G

[beene]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/2 ... 42202.html

[beene]

I remember reading news once about an X that capsized when the owner lent it out to a buddy and he had forgotten all about the ballast. Was only interested in motoring. Had the boat overloaded with people topside. I think a kid also got trapped and drowned in that incident.

Cant find it though

G

[BOAT]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/2 ... 42202.html

That boat was un-ballasted - there were photos as part of the investigation of the boat inverted in the water back at the dock where is was clear to see that the gate valve in the back was open. That I do remember reading about that one our local papers here on that incident. There was a follow up that clearly showed the boat had no ballast - so i now remember there is ONE credible report of a MAC tipping over with NO ballast, but I still have never found even ONE report of a MAC M boat tipping over WITH ballast - not even ONE! Yet, I have found NUMEROUS reports of J boats and CATS of all shapes and sizes capsizing. Isn't that strange to ANY of you? If they have records of all these other boats going over and most of them have production runs of maybe 50 boats yet NOT ONE MAC M boat ever tipped over and there are THOUSANDS OF THEM??

Come On, if the boat COULD tip over, it WOULD HAVE MANY TIMES ALREADY by now!! After all these years and thousands of boats??? It's pretty obvious the boat does not tip over with ballast in it.

I do not know of ANY incident ever where a ballasted M boat tipped over - and have only heard a rumor of it happening once to an X boat. I do remember that one you cite now - that was an un-ballasted boat. I do not think I have ever heard of a MAC tipping over even un-ballasted except for that one and another where the guy turned sharply with the DB down under power at 10 knots with NO ballast on board AND he had six people on TOP of the cabin. That one did tip over. That was the X boat that I heard about that is still really just a rumor.

There would be some kind of report or evidence if it had ever actually happened WITH ballast on board- and since there is none - I don't have any reason to think that a ballasted MAC M can tip over.