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Yes it's worth a motor upgrade. I think, anyway. Re horsepower. Better to have and not need then need and not have, to quote a chum, (regarding beer, but apt for anything)

Yes single handing is sucky at times. It's dangerous. I have no choice. Such is life.
The few times I've had someone else it was actually more dangerous. :P
Sail the boat as much as you can. The more used to it you are the safer you'll be. It's motion, habits, noise ect.

Avoid sailing at night if you can. Even the Bahamians try not to. The ones I talked to thought I was insane for contemplating a night passage down the tongue of the ocean. (it was creepy)

Ive only been the the central Bahamas and heres what I do.
Cross the stream on a nice day at 4am. Get to gun cay or Bimini late afternoon. Motor don't sail unless everything's perfect. Cross the bahama bank at dusk after sleeping all day. Motor or sail. Do Not go in a raging norther. Heave to (out of the traffic lanes) when you get tired and sleep for a bit. Do not anchor unless its a millpond. Youll roll badly. Carry on at dawn so you can reach Chub Cay or Morgans Bluff by afternoon. You want settled weather for all of this. NW channel light and vacinity will be very unpleasant in small boats with an outgoing tide and strong easterly winds OR strong northerly winds and incoming tide (worse) moderate northeast winds are nice. You can motor sail across the banks very easily then.
No more night passages are needed until past great Exuma.

Yes convoys are fun IF the boats are similar and owners have same style.
What's fine sailing for a Westsail 32 is going to beat the crp out of my Mac. Meanwhile I am going to want to find some tidal flat to anchor in and THEY won't sleep less they got three feet under them at low tide. Right. Seeya!!
Even with similar boats, sometimes problems arise. They encourage pushing boats and crew. Everyone else wants to make X harbor by lunch but they all have crew to help change sails and steer. It's just me and my dogs on my boat and well have to break our asses to try to keep up.
Nuh uh. We'll see you guys this afternoon, or tomarrow or whenever cause I'm not going to be Reefing and unreefing the main after every squall.
Then there's the boat where something's broken. And the next day and the next. They don't need tools cause someone in the convoy usually has them, right? Then theres the boat that chooses destinations by booze and ice availability. Or by organic yogurt, or what have you.
Or they want to wedge themselves into a crowded anchorage so they don't have to tow as far to visit other boats a d I like to be far, very very far away from other boats.
If you do the cruise circuit you will often fall into an informal group anyway. After a while I saw the same boats in each anchorage. I like this informal deal the best.
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Thanks Matt - that was a great story about his trip to the Bahamas! I may be at work, but my thoughts are in the Bahamas right now..... 8)

I'm thinking of buying that Bahama's guide book he mentioned. Sounds like an invaluable resource. Anybody recommend something better?


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Ixneigh wrote:Yes it's worth a motor upgrade. I think, anyway. Re horsepower. Better to have and not need then need and not have, to quote a chum, (regarding beer, but apt for anything)

Yes single handing is sucky at times. It's dangerous. I have no choice. Such is life.
The few times I've had someone else it was actually more dangerous. :P
Sail the boat as much as you can. The more used to it you are the safer you'll be. It's motion, habits, noise ect.

Avoid sailing at night if you can. Even the Bahamians try not to. The ones I talked to thought I was insane for contemplating a night passage down the tongue of the ocean. (it was creepy)

Ive only been the the central Bahamas and heres what I do.
Cross the stream on a nice day at 4am. Get to gun cay or Bimini late afternoon. Motor don't sail unless everything's perfect. Cross the bahama bank at dusk after sleeping all day. Motor or sail. Do Not go in a raging norther. Heave to (out of the traffic lanes) when you get tired and sleep for a bit. Do not anchor unless its a millpond. Youll roll badly. Carry on at dawn so you can reach Chub Cay or Morgans Bluff by afternoon. You want settled weather for all of this. NW channel light and vacinity will be very unpleasant in small boats with an outgoing tide and strong easterly winds OR strong northerly winds and incoming tide (worse) moderate northeast winds are nice. You can motor sail across the banks very easily then.
No more night passages are needed until past great Exuma.

Yes convoys are fun IF the boats are similar and owners have same style.
What's fine sailing for a Westsail 32 is going to beat the crp out of my Mac. Meanwhile I am going to want to find some tidal flat to anchor in and THEY won't sleep less they got three feet under them at low tide. Right. Seeya!!
Even with similar boats, sometimes problems arise. They encourage pushing boats and crew. Everyone else wants to make X harbor by lunch but they all have crew to help change sails and steer. It's just me and my dogs on my boat and well have to break our asses to try to keep up.
Nuh uh. We'll see you guys this afternoon, or tomarrow or whenever cause I'm not going to be Reefing and unreefing the main after every squall.
Then there's the boat where something's broken. And the next day and the next. They don't need tools cause someone in the convoy usually has them, right? Then theres the boat that chooses destinations by booze and ice availability. Or by organic yogurt, or what have you.
Or they want to wedge themselves into a crowded anchorage so they don't have to tow as far to visit other boats a d I like to be far, very very far away from other boats.
If you do the cruise circuit you will often fall into an informal group anyway. After a while I saw the same boats in each anchorage. I like this informal deal the best.

Good information lxneigh, it seems many use the outboard a lot more than I would have thought (or hoped... I prefer the sound of the wind, not combustion...).

I also agree about the group mentality. I am a very conservative person, planning things out to the gnat's behind then, armed with that information, flying by the seat of the pants based on what Mother Nature is offering that day, not forcing any moves which may lead to bad decisions.

I almost wonder if something like this can be done in a predetermined time frame? Can someone take a 2 week vacation to do this kind of trip? It might force you to make bad decisions based on getting home by a certain day. Get-home-itus has claimed many a victim, I'm sure....



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Ixneigh and March,

Your writing is terrific. Keep the advice and stories coming. Great reading for us!!
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If all you have is two weeks just do Bimini, cat (south cat is my fav but I've not been there in a while) honeymoon harbor and Riding Rocks, etc. There is a lot to see in Bimini and the beach is pretty. I could spend a week there. relax and have plenty of time to see everything in a smaller area, instead of trying for a larger area, like Bimini plus chub, lower Berries and Nassua. Figure a few days goes to waiting on weather. It's not wasted because you can still sail, swim and dive.
If you come back early you can look around byscane bay and Elliott's key for a couple days.
IMHO the best time to cross the stream in the Miami or upper keys area is around November or in may.
We have had very unseasonably southerly winds many times this spring and summer, though.
I would go for part of April, may, June and return 2nd week in July if I could.

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If you are budget restricted, Launch at South Dade Marina for $5 a day. Homestead Marina will cost about $17 a day.
Gulf stream runs avarage 3 Knots North.( compansate for this 3 knot so you head approx. 15-20 degrees to the South of your destination) Your 8 hp Honda is fine as it will do 6.5 knots min.
Carry all tools and jury rigging equipment, have enough fuel to make the 52 mile crossing at getting 2-3 mpg if you run into large waves.(you burn fuel fast in rough conditions)
Wait for a good window before you cross, Norther winds can build up steep waves at short distance.
Make sure you have foam paddings for batten down forward hatch and companion way.(6 ft. ac cover tubes on pipes work well) Have a safty attached to you with twin tweeters if a blow happens.
Haveing solid water comeing over the bow will go under hatches.
I would also have a spare hand held GPS, have all paper charts you need.
Don't mean to scare you but be prepaired and have a safe trip.
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Heaven Bound wrote:Hello!

One of my bucket items was to learn to sail. I accomplished that last month (Finally!) I took classes for 3 weeks then, literally the next day, left for a week's vacation in Door County. I took my recently purchased '90 MacGregor 26S with us and sailed every day. Took a long trip from Eagle Harbor in Green Bay through 'Death's Door' to Lake Michigan and back. On the way out it was a beautiful 10 - 15 mph wind on a broad reach, however, on the return trip it was a close reach with 25 - 30 mph winds and 3' - 5' seas. It made for a real learning experience...

Having my love of sailing confirmed, my goal now is to sail from Florida to the Bahamas, do some island hopping, then sail back. I am looking for some advice from those of you who have done that before. I have been told, to which I agree, that I should use this season to get more familiar with the boat and sailing in general. Next year, they suggest I learn the finer points of sailing and, if possible, get some heavy weather experience on Lake Michigan (since I live only a few hours from Chicago).

So - my questions to you:
1. What would you suggest?
2. Are there any classic Mac owners in the Lake Michigan area who would be willing to take me out and get some of that heavy weather experience?
3. Is there a group of Mac owners who sail from Florida to the Bahamas as a group every year? I saw some older postings, but nothing recent.

Thanks for your help!!

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DaveB wrote:If you are budget restricted, Launch at South Dade Marina for $5 a day. Homestead Marina will cost about $17 a day.
Gulf stream runs avarage 3 Knots North.( compansate for this 3 knot so you head approx. 15-20 degrees to the South of your destination) Your 8 hp Honda is fine as it will do 6.5 knots min.
Carry all tools and jury rigging equipment, have enough fuel to make the 52 mile crossing at getting 2-3 mpg if you run into large waves.(you burn fuel fast in rough conditions)
Wait for a good window before you cross, Norther winds can build up steep waves at short distance.
Make sure you have foam paddings for batten down forward hatch and companion way.(6 ft. ac cover tubes on pipes work well) Have a safty attached to you with twin tweeters if a blow happens.
Haveing solid water comeing over the bow will go under hatches.
I would also have a spare hand held GPS, have all paper charts you need.
Don't mean to scare you but be prepaired and have a safe trip.
Dave


Thanks Dave, that is great information! I was wondering where I would want to launch the boat and store the SUV and trailer, now I know! Great safety info as well. I need to start looking through the forums to find the most recommended emergency locators, etc.

I think I am probably good with the front hatch sealing well. The previous owner had installed that heavy foam door jam insulation. Seems to seal well. I was on Lake Michigan in 3 - 5 footers and a few of them were coming over the bow on a 45 degree angle. Not a drop inside the cabin! Wish I could say the same for the cabin windows, but that's another topic...

This trip is really starting to come together with the excellent help from this group!


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opie wrote:If all you have is two weeks just do Bimini, cat (south cat is my fav but I've not been there in a while) honeymoon harbor and Riding Rocks, etc. There is a lot to see in Bimini and the beach is pretty. I could spend a week there. relax and have plenty of time to see everything in a smaller area, instead of trying for a larger area, like Bimini plus chub, lower Berries and Nassua. Figure a few days goes to waiting on weather. It's not wasted because you can still sail, swim and dive.
If you come back early you can look around byscane bay and Elliott's key for a couple days.
IMHO the best time to cross the stream in the Miami or upper keys area is around November or in may.
We have had very unseasonably southerly winds many times this spring and summer, though.
I would go for part of April, may, June and return 2nd week in July if I could.

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Ixneigh,

That sounds like a great plan for a 2 week vacation. While I have 6 weeks of vacation every year, my position won't allow me to take more than 2 weeks at a time. I would love to do the full monty after I retire...

I love diving, and there is great diving at Key Largo if I have time to kill. I hope there is a good diving forum where I can get some info on how to sail/dive. (what to take, what to rent, how to pack, etc.) Even if the crossing is not advisable for the full 2 weeks, a keys cruise would be an awesome 'Plan B'!


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Yes, they used to have diving services at Pennekamp reservation, Key Largo. Last time I was there we managed to find an "independent" diving master who took us out to the reef several times--once even for a night dive! It was a blast. But that was some 15 years ago, don't know how things stand now. Diving centers were plentiful around. Unless you have your own equipment, that would be the way to go.

We never considered scuba diving off the Mac; snorkeling was good enough for us in the Exhumas. The only place where we saw scuba divers were on Lee Stocking Cay, and they were part of the Oceanographic Institute research team. Bahamian waters are generally shallow, except for the Tongue of the Ocean and the GulfStream itself: check out the marine charts and you'll be surprised. But they do have a diving shop on Staniel Key. You should go and see James Bond's underwater cave--something to behold, indeed, even with your snorkeling gear. If you have only two weeks, you probably won't have time to make it though. Better stick to your original plan: dive off the Florida coast, if the weather prevents you from taking full advantage of those 2 weeks. The Pennekamp reef is huge: depth is mostly 10-20 feet and there's plenty of stuff to see. Be careful about anchoring close to the reef-heads, though: those guys are VERY serious about people destroying the habitat with their anchors, or hitting the reef.
DaveB is right on: launching from South Dade Marina is the way to go: the owner, Bob, is very helpful and the prices are more than reasonable. It'll cost you $25 a day to moor at the dock, but there are plenty of good places to anchor at night, off the main canal. Pennekamp is about 3 hours away at a leisurely 6 kts. You could also anchor off Pumpkin Island and that would make it even closer: one hour and you're at the reef.

As for equipment, your standard snorkeling gear. We lugged weights along, but never used them for snorkeling. Wetsuits were optional--water was almost uncomfortably warm, but we did see some nasty looking jellyfish around. Diving knife is a must. The only underwater hunting device they allow is the Hawaiian slingshot (spear with NO trigger-releasing mechanism) Local people we talked about claim that the Bahamians are VERY strict about reinforcing this rule--if they catch you, you are liable to lose your boat. It's as bad as catching you smuggling drugs. Edible conchs were plentiful around Berry Islands and North part of the Exhumas. They became rarer and rarer as we sailed south. Never saw any lobsters--and we did look hard. If you're going to fish, don't forget steel-wire leads to your hooks: reef fish have teeth that can easily bite through a nylon line.

And of course, and underwater camera to keep us drooling...

Have fun!
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Heaven Bound wrote:Yes, they used to have diving services at Pennekamp reservation, Key Largo. Last time I was there we managed to find an "independent" diving master who took us out to the reef several times--once even for a night dive! It was a blast. But that was some 15 years ago, don't know how things stand now. Diving centers were plentiful around. Unless you have your own equipment, that would be the way to go.

We never considered scuba diving off the Mac; snorkeling was good enough for us in the Exhumas. The only place where we saw scuba divers were on Lee Stocking Cay, and they were part of the Oceanographic Institute research team. Bahamian waters are generally shallow, except for the Tongue of the Ocean and the GulfStream itself: check out the marine charts and you'll be surprised. But they do have a diving shop on Staniel Key. You should go and see James Bond's underwater cave--something to behold, indeed, even with your snorkeling gear. If you have only two weeks, you probably won't have time to make it though. Better stick to your original plan: dive off the Florida coast, if the weather prevents you from taking full advantage of those 2 weeks. The Pennekamp reef is huge: depth is mostly 10-20 feet and there's plenty of stuff to see. Be careful about anchoring close to the reef-heads, though: those guys are VERY serious about people destroying the habitat with their anchors, or hitting the reef.
DaveB is right on: launching from South Dade Marina is the way to go: the owner, Bob, is very helpful and the prices are more than reasonable. It'll cost you $25 a day to moor at the dock, but there are plenty of good places to anchor at night, off the main canal. Pennekamp is about 3 hours away at a leisurely 6 kts. You could also anchor off Pumpkin Island and that would make it even closer: one hour and you're at the reef.

As for equipment, your standard snorkeling gear. We lugged weights along, but never used them for snorkeling. Wetsuits were optional--water was almost uncomfortably warm, but we did see some nasty looking jellyfish around. Diving knife is a must. The only underwater hunting device they allow is the Hawaiian slingshot (spear with NO trigger-releasing mechanism) Local people we talked about claim that the Bahamians are VERY strict about reinforcing this rule--if they catch you, you are liable to lose your boat. It's as bad as catching you smuggling drugs. Edible conchs were plentiful around Berry Islands and North part of the Exhumas. They became rarer and rarer as we sailed south. Never saw any lobsters--and we did look hard. If you're going to fish, don't forget steel-wire leads to your hooks: reef fish have teeth that can easily bite through a nylon line.

And of course, and underwater camera to keep us drooling...

Have fun!


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Would like to make this trip in November after hurricane season.
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Some of the "grey beards" at the marina are telling me that I, as a rookie with a new boat, I should probably do a shake-down cruise before doing the Bahamas trip.

So - how about a "Keys Cruise" over Christmas vacation?

To those who have been-there & done-that, is December a good time to cruise the Florida Keys? Any advice would be appreciated!

Also - anybody else be interested?



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You might have to contend with strong northers in the Florida bay. Plenty of places to hide. Less bugs. Less afternoon thunderstorms.

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I just joint today and I can't stop reading about this trip...sounds like fun. I have a '98 26x with 50hp engine that I purchased a year ago. I would feel more comfortable doing a trip like this with other similar boats especially because I have a limited experience on this boat.
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I second the idea of a Keys cruise before trying for the Bahamas. December is our high season, with usually the best weather. Do watch out for cold fronts coming in from the northwest. I have two disparate suggestions for where to go. The waters of Biscayne National Park are easily accessible from South Dade Marina. Bob, the owner, is a trailer sailor himself and will steer you right. Second suggestion is the Content Keys (accent on the first syllable) and Marvin Key northwest of Big Pine Key. These are a little slice of the Bahamas without leaving America. You will probably want to crank your centerboard up to about 4 feet draft to go there.

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P.S. I will be painting the deck in December & envying you.
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