average cruising speed on all points of sail. x and m

[Kittiwake]

I just spent 30 nights in the florida keys . ......... There is a lot of cheap sh~t on these things. But they canbe replaced with what suits your needs.

Hey!! That's not "cheap sh~t" - that's innovative Scottish design.
Kittiwake

[iredrider1177]

I stand corrected. I didn't mention that last winter I took my twin engine jet boat down. It was nothing to burn 100$ in fuel per day in that thing
This trip with the M was MUCH more enjoyable. As for the cheap shtuff. Just needed to bring a few things up to my standards. I'm more satisfied with my M now than ever. But I also see a trailer replacement in my future. I've decided to keep her.

[Divecoz]

The two boats under consideration have more dis-similar properties than similar.
A Used late model X about $13=18K
Used 26' Bayliner probably a lot less and used a lot harder..
If you like sailing.. slow quiet pretty relaxed in no big hurry Sailing is wonderful. Its about The Voyage getting there.. where ever there might be..
The Bay will get there faster than the Mac.. That Bay will always cost you more.. most often.... a lot more.. $$$$
Is that a stickler? Gas cost? You take both boats out for 4 hours a day 2 days a week for 4 months.. You motor the Mac to open water and hoist a sail or two and at the end of the season you paid for what 20 gallons? X $4 = $80?
If your careful with the Bay you pay what ? 3 gallons an hour $12 for 4 hours $48 twice a week $96 4 weeks a month $184 for 4 months Lets call it $800 I bet you spend a lot more.. Your choice.... Very different needs wants and desires.. Very Different boats.
Customer support.. I cannot think of one question you could have that someone here hasn't already successfully dealt with.. On Your exact model with your exact engine..
Sociability? I have found the sailing community as a whole to be very social bunch of folks....
I too have stories about power boaters making.... Fun Of Me? All because I was walking down the dock with a 6 gallon portable on my shoulder with 5 gallons in it.. to replace what I used over the last month.. and I go out more often than most of them.. I have to ask you? Who ( at $4 a gallon ) should be laughing at who.. But we LIKE to SAIL... Where to? over over over.....>>>> Yea there.... over there somewhere..... Do you see my point?
Your going to have to make a choice.. I hope your happy with the choice you make.. IMHO... If you chose the Mac and your not happy ? You shouldn't lose hardly any money..State Taxes ? If that applies and Registration cost etc etc. I dont think that will be the case with a Bayliner, thats another year older..

[Kittiwake]

You know, the odd thing is, everywhere I go on the water (and on the trailer!), the only thing I get is ooo's and aahh's for the 26M. I had been planning to get a Mac for decades, and was quite at peace with the expectation that it would be scorned by many ... but scorn only materialised once: from a guy I worked with who had heard some armchair comments from another colleague with a non-Mac sailboat. Since I am so comfortable that the boat is exactly right for me, I never 'fish' for favourable comments - quite the opposite.

I have the distinct impression that the boating world has had its laugh, and has begun to realize it was on them.
Kittiwake

[iredrider1177]

I've only had one occasion I got a negative comment. And he was lucky he got out of my sight with both of his toof's. Don't think a day went by on the water that I didn't get ooohs and awwws.

[Kittiwake]

I think it is getting to be widely accepted that the Mac is not just a boat for people on a budget. As you have suggested iredrider, it is amongst other things, a great 'slate' upon which one can 'write' one's Mods for fun (beats building bird houses ... sorry, no offence to the Birders of which I am one). And in this generation people are getting away from ostentation to focus on what brings real pleasure. I still remember a great feeling experienced when, as I towed my stripped-down (no mast & rigging) Mac past a group of kayakers at Telegraph Cove, there was smiling, waving and 'V' signs (no, not the 1-fingered-V!). I think they had seen us poking about the tiny inlets where they hang out in the Broughton Archipelago.
Kittiwake

[bahama bound]

I am wandering what everyone would say their average speed is cruising on a x and a m under sail, on all points of sail, I guess moderatly loaded in average conditions. I suppose 4 or 5kts ? My wife wants a power boat I want the peace and tranquility of a sailboat. Thanks for the help, I've been lurcking here for about 3yrs now, and trying to convince the admiral on a mac, we have only seen one on the trailer here in s.c. and I loved it from the outside byte she fell inove with my uncles 28ft bayliner. 3hrs and 15 gals of fuel not in my budget for every weekend fun. Thanks yall

that is so funny you say that because we have 2001 2855 cierra bayliner that we have love ,and 6 months ago we bought a mac x ?we wanted to be able to run down to key west and stay on it as well go up to lake heartwell or devils fork ,we pull the macgregor with our 2011 dodge journey and get 17 miles to the gallon ,but our bayliner is around 7000 lbs and we have to pull it with our big dodge diesel and every time we go out its about a hundred to a hundred and fifty bucks in fuel when it 4 dollars a gallon for decent gas ,the cost of ownership as well as the maint. of the macregor x is a fraction of the cost of owning the bayliner ,we are trying our mac for a year or so ,packing now to go to cumberland for a week ,i will say the longer i have it , the more i like it ,when sailing it doesnt feel sluggish ,the people that have these boats enjoy them ,and if you have a question they love to answer it for you ,that in itself is worth alot .by the way we are in charleston sc you can call me at 843-735-2501 randall

[dlandersson]

You mean "the 26M requires a better sailor"?

The 26M is a better sailor, some like the interior of the 26X better and its a lot cheaper.

Jim

[dlandersson]

And here I thought all those ooohs and aaaahs were for me.

You know, the odd thing is, everywhere I go on the water (and on the trailer!), the only thing I get is ooo's and aahh's for the 26M. I had been planning to get a Mac for decades, and was quite at peace with the expectation that it would be scorned by many ... but scorn only materialised once: from a guy I worked with who had heard some armchair comments from another colleague with a non-Mac sailboat. Since I am so comfortable that the boat is exactly right for me, I never 'fish' for favourable comments - quite the opposite.

I have the distinct impression that the boating world has had its laugh, and has begun to realize it was on them.
Kittiwake

[DaveB]

Motor Sail at 7 knots to maybe reach a Keel level between Ya"s.
Many people just are not Sailors and if you are a die heart Sailer, than you know what to do.
Long long time ago, Never marry a non Sailer and if you do, Your one lost sole of a sorry Sailor.
Dave

I am wandering what everyone would say their average speed is cruising on a x and a m under sail, on all points of sail, I guess moderatly loaded in average conditions. I suppose 4 or 5kts ? My wife wants a power boat I want the peace and tranquility of a sailboat. Thanks for the help, I've been lurcking here for about 3yrs now, and trying to convince the admiral on a mac, we have only seen one on the trailer here in s.c. and I loved it from the outside byte she fell inove with my uncles 28ft bayliner. 3hrs and 15 gals of fuel not in my budget for every weekend fun. Thanks yall

[Kittiwake]

And here I thought all those ooohs and aaaahs were for me.

You know, the odd thing is, everywhere I go on the water (and on the trailer!), the only thing I get is ooo's and aahh's for the 26M.
.......
Kittiwake

Gosh dl, that's a great idea ... hmm ... but no, in my case they were quite specific that it was the boat ... sigh.
Keep those positive thoughts coming.
Kittiwake

[prishi]

Go for the BAYLINER, buddy! And you won't regret it!
Here's the reasoning:-
You asked comparisons of Speeds between the two boats. You said your Admiral 'loved' the Bayliner. You have already lost half the battle!
For you folks it is all about speed - not so much as in who is going faster, but as in how much distance can we cover in how much time. Well, based on that, I am saying, go with the Bayliner. Everybody's dreams are different! And nobody's wrong, thus the confusion! All I want to highlihght is that you folks are probably planning on visiting multiple places by boat over weekends; you may have a list of spots you want to go and each is approx 40 - 100 miles away and you wonder how you'd cover on each boat. Well, if you have only 2 days on the water, every week, with a plan to return home each day, you must kiss the sailboat goodbye! Just go with the Bayliner and check off those spots on the list. The sailboat will never let you do that.

And, the Admiral will not have to lift a finger on the Bayliner. You can hold the wheel all the time, or, throw in an Autopilot and you'll have time to fix her drinks for her (BUT KEEP A SAFE LOOKOUT AT ALL TIMES). Neither of you will have any work on the Bayliner, once Courses are set and you are on your voyage. Just the normal navigation that is needed. And you'll have all the possibilities for kids' activities, if there are kids on the boat. Again, not on a sailboat.

Could you do all this on a sailboat - NO. There is always WORK on a sailboat. The kids activities will include them getting assigned jobs on the boat and reporting back to the Coxan (you) of their roles and status. Your Admiral might also feel pressured to contribute at that time, and there goes her wish to "spend a peaceful day on the water, under the sun, reading a book or listening to music". All that goes out of the window. And yes, you don't get to check off those sightseeing points on your list within a given time as your speed is dependent on the wind. Can you imagine? No point A to B (unless they are really close by) and no "relaxation under the sun"!!??!! Therefore, if this is what the Admiral imagines - or how you build up your case for the boat - you'd be disappointed with a sailboat.
Remember, there is WORK on a sailboat. And you still do not achieve getting from A to B with schedules to return home by sunset.
Ofcourse, if I am completely wrong in my assumptions, go with a MacGregor, as it will be able to satisfy both the above dreams, to an extent. You will not be the fastest sailboat nor will you be the fastest powerboat. You might even check off those lists in hand, and on occasion, will even be able to come up with that margarita for the Admiral.

We don't need to discuss the money aspect of it, that's a given!
And yes, sailors will always be confused whether the looks they are getting are for them or for their boats. The motor-sailors always know that those looks are for the boats!

Cheers!

[Obelix]

Well put, prishi

Obelix

[dlandersson]

This is sailing:

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Go for the BAYLINER, buddy! And you won't regret it!
Here's the reasoning:-
You asked comparisons of Speeds between the two boats. You said your Admiral 'loved' the Bayliner. You have already lost half the battle!
For you folks it is all about speed - not so much as in who is going faster, but as in how much distance can we cover in how much time. Well, based on that, I am saying, go with the Bayliner. Everybody's dreams are different! And nobody's wrong, thus the confusion! All I want to highlihght is that you folks are probably planning on visiting multiple places by boat over weekends; you may have a list of spots you want to go and each is approx 40 - 100 miles away and you wonder how you'd cover on each boat. Well, if you have only 2 days on the water, every week, with a plan to return home each day, you must kiss the sailboat goodbye! Just go with the Bayliner and check off those spots on the list. The sailboat will never let you do that.
And yes, sailors will always be confused whether the looks they are getting are for them or for their boats. The motor-sailors always know that those looks are for the boats!

Cheers!

[prishi]

This is sailing:

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Well put - A picture is worth a thousand words!